They were there for about 5-6 hours. National guard cleared them out. The intent was to overturn the election. It was that simple. Trump gave some dumb speech outside how he was cheated and how they needed to take back the victory.
So you just like being contrarian and this coming from a person who can be contrarian as well. That detail is not crucial to a coup attempt because if they all got killed once they entered the building would that mean they did not attempt a coup because of the time?
it’s his MO...he always does his little contrarian schtick, and in this case, he doesn’t even really know all that went down yesterday which makes it even worse they are too far gone...they basically suffer from severe delusion, and no medication can treat it right wing media, right wing politicians, and all these fringe sites they constantly visit would all have to come out and make it clear that they’ve been deceiving, purposefully manipulating, and trying to control these mindless drones with clear evidence of how and why they have been doing so...that will never happen
If I don't agree with something that most or all other people are saying, I don't mind saying so on here. I don't have a particular problem with expressing agreement with what others are saying either, though I'm maybe a little less likely to post it and more likely to just hit the like button (repeating what everyone else is already saying serves little purpose for discussion, right?). If that's what you mean by contrarian, OK. No, but it means that we don't know what they were attempting. Maybe a coup, maybe something else. If they were there for a few hours and just left on their own or offering very little resistance, for instance, that would probably not be an attempted coup. This isn't important enough to argue any further. What we know and can agree on is that these people want the election to be handed over to Trump and for the official voting tally to be discarded, and what all they did yesterday -- including fighting with police officers and breaching the Capitol building -- was a lame attempt to advance that goal. If we want to call that a coup, I would still distinguish it from an attempted take over of government buildings with military personnel who are loyal to Trump and forcing out anyone who isn't a Trump loyalist. Maybe call that a "hard coup".
They went there with the specific intent to disrupt the proceeding of counting electoral votes. I am not sure why that doesn't sound very serious to you.
The proceeding you are referring to is ceremonial, and the disruption did not prevent the count from proceeding soon after (which happened, as expected by everyone). What I find far more serious (in terms of threatening the democratic transfer of power) than the actions themselves is the misinformation campaign that warped the minds of these people.
What it was was another Trump I sorta agree with that, but there was plenty of prior intent posted on Social Media. I sorta agree because I think mob hysteria took over events. I'm sure there were some people that would have never committed these acts without the momentum of the group. I posted before on mob psychology that the individual loses a sense of personal responsibility when he is in concert with a group. Certainly you would lose some sense of self responsibility if you believed your President was telling you must do this. We've seen it with dictators before, every cowboy movie has a lynch mob, the boldness in the streets of Arab Spring. And that's what a President telling outright lies does and why this is so insidious. Anyone that didn't want a riot would know not to rile up the mob. Trump absolutely did mean to. He is absolutely guilty of sedition But in the eyes of the law, you are ultimately responsible for you behavior. The riot was an attack on the US government. Participation will have serious consequences. A coup is defined as a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. I guess "seizing power" is the maybe not a coup part.
@durvasa maybe this was already mentioned.. these folks provided their intention publicly - to start a revolution. “Charge into the Capital to start a revolution”. The word revolution was all over these folks social media, live streaming and interviews. A revolution is an overthrow of the government. Doesnt that fit into the definition of an attempted coup?
Possibly, especially it was meant to be taken literally -- and for some maybe it was. I hadn't seen that. But "start a revolution" has a poetic meaning too. BLM also has revolutionary aspirations -- doesn't mean they are literally calling for the overthrow of government.
Yes but other than Trump there was no directing leadership. It was chaos. I think a coup needs a leader and a clearly defined goal.
Its hilarious that she's "storming the capital, its a revolution" and she's offended that they would dare mace her. What do they think happens during revolutions?
