Vaccine Rollout Failure; Biden to Win/Lose WWII Effort Needed

I think the news about failure is waaay over blown

I got the vaccine Saturday at Methodist Hospital in the medical center. Sister scheduled like Tuesday last week. I was in the hospital 30 minutes

 

Ya narcissists usually assume everything is fine with the world as long as they themselves are fine. So I sincerely believe that you believe there is no genuine problem.

 

@fchowd0311

Its not about politics. This is the largest roll out of a vaccine in the history of the country. Be patient. I know you hate this country but sometimes the news does need to dramatize things

As for as me not me not giving a crap about others, where do you see a bunch of people complaining about not being able to get a vaccine?

Glynch i can go personal to. At least i was honest. You weren't even gonna say you got one. However im sure you fall into the first tier age category.

My mother got it also, i have diabetes and my sister doesn't fall into age or chronic medical condition category and got it before me

I mean you're making me sharing my experience personal but you apparently missed the point of i had no wait.

 

I don't think enough people will take the vaccine to establish herd immunity. I also think that there will be too many variants.

This thing is in it for the long haul.



Unpopular opinion, I know, but it is what it is.

 

@Colt45 :looks like you didn't read this post but Fauci himself says says we are almost on track

For the positive non panicky non United States haters

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ovid-vaccine-pace-picking-up-after-slow-start

The U.S. government’s top infectious-disease doctor said the rollout of Covid-19 vaccines is picking up speed and could be fully on track within a week or so.

 

That's definitely an issue. I talk to so many educated people who are refusing.

 

Of course, we were promised 20 million vaccinations by the end of 202. There is no argument here. The roll out has been a MASSIVE failure by the administration's own metric.

 

I'm curious how your sister, who doesn't fall into either category got the vaccine. I have several relatives in their 80's in Texas, Louisiana, Kansas, and Nebraska who haven't been able to get the vaccine. You'd think people over 80 would be at the top of the call list from their doctors.

 

They should have given the vaccines to walmart or amazon and have them distribute it. How long does it take to stick a needle in someones arm. I know someone might say they need to watch for side effects. If they have side effects they can go to the doctor.

 

Not sure why you are comparing to China. China has only vaccinated ~70k.

Right now, administering the vaccine is a problem - it’s slow. It has been frustrating that a robust plan wasn’t in place but that is now being execute on and will get better.

A bigger challenge is availability of vaccine. If I recall - 100m through April. Biden said he’s working to add another 100m. 200m, if that means 200m folks cover pretty much everyone (16 and under cannot be vaccinated yet). So if they hold, we should already be good there. The Biden admin needs to execute on procuring this.

Vaccine hesitancy is a growing challenge. Already there are report of some 20-30% of front line worker at a nursing home choosing to not be vaccinated. Not sure what you can do with this - the good news is these vaccines seem to be very effective and if that stick, pretty much only those choose to not be vaccinated (or can’t) will be vulnerable.

I think the biggest and most urgent challenge is speed. The new UK strain is here and spreading in the community. It is 50-60% more transmissible. We need to be vaccinating as fast as possible as a race against the current and new variant. It’s too bad the FDA has already seemed to ruled out delayed 2nd dose, unlike UK, certain area of Canada and elsewhere who are administrating single dose out as fast as possible and the 2nd dose will have to wait.

And of course, a challenge and the deadlier of all if it comes to fruition is that the vaccine somehow fail to protect against the current variants or a new variants —- the Biden admin needs to be prepared for this case and thus need to built up what should already be here: adequate supply of PPE, a robust test, trace and isolation system, push for continuing masks nationally... etcs. Again, even if this is an overkill this round, the infrastructure will be needed again sometime in the future.

 

There have been 40 million doses of Vaccine shipped and only 4 million administered so far and they started shipping out over 2 months ago

 

That logic might be a lot safer for young healthy people than people over 70 or 80, or those with really serious medical issues. They should be monitored, and be at a hospital where immediate care can be administered if something goes wrong.

 

according to cdc, 15.4m doses distributed, 4.6m administrated (1st dose). Since they are saving up the 2nd dose, that means effectively there are only 7.7m 1st dose available. So about 60% of the 1st doses have been administered. Not great but not horrible either.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker

 

But pgabriel and his family got theirs. So that means it's been the greatest rollout in the history of ever.

 

Biden has already said this will be his biggest challenge and has said one of his first acts will be to invoke the Defense Production Act for vaccine production. That said he's not President yet and is being hampered by the problematic transition. Fixing this problem isn't something that can be done easily and involves several sectors of government and private industry. Him not getting people briefed and in position so they are ready from day one is going to make the early days of the Presidency difficult.

Also comparing us the PRC is ignores many of the big differences regarding what can be done with a largely authoritarian state and central control versus the Federal system we have here. For that matter the vaccines being distributed in the PRC aren't the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines that have gone through Phase 3 testing but ones like Sinovac which are still being tested. A lot of people are getting it under a massive testing program and not under a completely proven vaccine distribution program.

 

Unfortunately that's my thinking too. These drug companies are going to make a killing off of yearly vaccines like we have to do with the flu.

Hopefully it mutates itself into the common cold, or mutates in a way that makes it much less transmittable, but after having it and knowing what it does that is different than the cold entirely it's hard to see that being the case.

 

It’s NOT way overblown. It’s easy to tell people to be patient when you are one of the lucky few who have received the vaccine. THOUSANDS of people are dying every single day, so people are desperate to get the vaccine.

My mother has an appointment to get her first shot through Methodist on the 19th. She got the invitation to get an appointment because she is a patient of a Methodist doctor. But, it’s going to be many many months until everyone that wants a shot can get a shot. In the meantime some of those people are going to die.

The news about the failure of this roll out is NOT “waaay over blow”.

This roll out is a national disgrace. Federal, State, and local authorities had 10 months to prepare for this and they appear to have done almost no planning. I made a post in another thread on December 3rd that said I thought the roll out of the vaccine was going to be a big cluster. Sadly I was correct. It was easy to predict. We needed a strong effort from federal and state leaders, and it was easy to see we didn’t have that.

 

Dr Fauci says give it a week. Save me the drama bro