Woj: Rockets want to trade Harden "sooner rather than later"

Brown has a career 0.56 ts% which is average. 14 per which is average. 0.1 winshares/48 which is average. Rpm, bpm, raptor you name it. Dude is an overblown role player.

 

"His back ain't right" lol. Ok doctors. News to me that herniated disk is a career ender.

 

I'd say the first concern in the context of his injury was "can he play" after missing the first season, now I'd say the concern is "can he stay healthy".

It's a major concern and not acknowledging it is a major blind spot in the evaluation. The talent and size is undeniable.

 

You know what's overblown.. most of the advanced stats you're boasting as proof of concept.

 

MPJ is playing 4th fiddle at best right now and is producing

Jaylen Brown in his 2nd year averaged 15, 5, and 2...3rd year he averaged 13, 4, and 1

now in his 5th year, people would take him for James Harden even tho he will likely never make an All-Star team in the West or ever make an All-NBA team...for some reason, MPJ is the one who can’t be the centerpiece for Harden but Brown is acceptable

if that’s solely based on his back then ok, but the potential as a scorer and shooter is clearly there

none of these dudes will ever equal Harden, but in the event that he is traded, I like MPJ over everyone else that’s been mentioned, and no, it’s not based off 1 game

 

"can he play" is in terms of is he any good anymore. A herniated disk doesn't end a career, but can make you much worse - that question has been answered.

 

Well one is averaging over 3APG and playing within a system on a team that is winning games and doing it as as the Secondary ball handler. The other hasn’t made a three this season. I’m cool with either, and I’d prefer to keep James but I’ve just warmed up to Brown/Smart/Picks. If MPJ ends up as the centerpiece, I’m fine with it too. I trust the front office to make the right call.

 

Right. But effective field goal % is the ultimate proof. All those advanced stats do is go a step further beyond efg%.

 

How can you possibly say that after only playing a shortened lock out season plus being in the midst of another shortened season?

Are you saying he's worse?

 

Dwight was never the same after his injury. Mpj might never be the same as before, but we do know what he is now, and it's great.

 

Brown shares playmaking duties, "secondary playmaker" is even generous unless he can keep up his current pace. Sixers have a better record than Boston speaking of wining games, but its still early.

 

Which is fair, but it's not close to answering his back injury questions.

 

You have your favorite. I have mine. After going through Yao's foot, TMac's back, Paul's hamstring, Russ's knee, I'd like someone to have some level of durability more along the lines of Harden.

 

Id say he’s more on that jimmy butler like career trajectory but he still is behind on the playmaking big time. He def has scotties athleticism but lacks scotties play making also. He’s def not Harrison Barnes and also far away from an all time great in Scottie.

one thing is for sure, he improves every year and will continue to because of his great work ethic. Elite athlete, high iq on the court and off it, very good defender. He’s a perennial all star ceiling imo. I think mpj brown or Simmons would be good returns and I get the upside in mpj and brown and I also understand people being low on Simmons right now, he has not started the year good even with shooters around him

 

That IS the back injury question! What kind of player is he going to come back as after back injury? We know that now. Given what we know today he gets taken #1 in the draft instead of 14.

Name one athlete that had a herniated disk, came back from it, then had to end his career because of reinjury. It is extremely rare. That's not the correct back injury question. The major question was what kind of player would he come back as and has been answered.

 

Those advanced stats will say nothing about how good of a fit Brown would be for our defense. All MPj does is help from the weak side a little bit and rebound some. Jaylen at least makes others around him a little better.

Neither do what Harden can so I say we keep the bird in the hand.

 

ok, but don’t act like people saw MPJ play 1 game last night, and then all of the sudden, he became the one

so then it’s primarily based on his back...got it

if you’re calling Brown Scottie Pippen, then I see why u like him so much

 

This post is too reasonable for the GARM to handle.

 

Given what we know today Ayton, Doncic, Trae Young, Sexton and Jaren Jackson Jr likely all go ahead of MPbackprobs.

 

Can't compare any of these guys to harden, only to eachother if we assume Harden is set on leaving.

Mpj is not a good defender, but has a legit shot at being the best scorer in the entire league. That's his upside. You can't say that about any other prospects that have been mentioned.