Woj: Rockets want to trade Harden "sooner rather than later"

Teams can't trade consecutive FRPs right? Stepien. If so then those picks will have to be further spread out.

 

Tiger Woods doesn't play in the NBA where you are constantly running and jumping?!?!

My point is MPJ is starting his pro career with a major back injury. Maybe he'll be fine, but Denver using a mid round pick isnt the same risk as trading Harden for.

 

Yep, he's still on a rookie contract.

 

If you're asking me out of the three (MPJ, Brown or Simmons) I would rather get in return Simmons would be dead last so let's get that cleared up. Brown has had to play 2nd, even 3rd, fiddle on that Boston team but he still produced. I am in no way saying MPJ sucks because the kid CAN score. Maybe I'm just tired of seeing young potential stars with an injury past (because "history" is taboo I guess) go through this franchise.

One thing we take for granted is how freaking durable Harden has been since he's put on a Rockets uniform. It's not encouraging to me for us to trade him away for a young player that has had back surgery at a young age.

 

And now I don't trust your opinion. Jaylen Brown is no James Harden, but he's far from Harrison Barnes. Jaylen is efficient for all but maybe like 3 games all year last year. He's gotten more efficient every year. He's 24 not 28. Terrible comparison to make a real point. This was very Windhurst of you.

 

Yea I think you're right. I'm a doofus. So maybe it's gotta be 2021, 2025, 2027?

 

I agree that Brown has Harden like potential in that he'd be first fiddle here and might blow up with that responsibility.

 

He has not been very efficient, he's been average efficient, average production, average overall. Mpj is the one who is extraordinarily efficient and projects to all world scorer.

 

People might laugh at this but Brown is the modern day Scottie Pippen. His defense isn't as elite but it's still damn good and his offense is obviously tons better.

"Well now you're wanting to trade Harden for the greatest sidekick of all time???"

Pippen, for all his misgivings, did a pretty damn good job leading the Bulls when Jordan retired the first time around. It's not a bad thing to build around a player like that, especially when you got an automatic double double machine down low in Wood.

 

Have you ever played golf? Do you know which muscle is most used in golf?

 

Brown has zero Harden potential aside from being a leading scorer, he has none of the playmaking Harden has.

 

Jaylen Brown hardeneque is insane comparison. Harden had all world efficiency in okc which is how you knew he would translate to a bigger role - that's the exact same case as MPJ. Brown has league average efficiency in scoring and production. You guys have it exactly ass backwards.

Being concerned about injury is one thing, unfounded as it may be. But this basketball take makes no sense.

 

That would be ok, as far as a return on picks. We have our own '22 and '23 first round picks. But one year of Harris and Barton + MPJ doesn't get me too excited. Maybe we could offload Harris and/or Barton for some picks at the deadline? Meh.

I guess the good part about Harris and Barton is they would be a quick way for us to lower our team salary, which is Tilman Goal #1.

 

Yea, the most workout I get is my drinking arm. Golf isn't the NBA or the NFL. Tiger Woods clearly wasn't as good pre back injury, but then again Tiger had knee issues too among personal issues

Tiger already had a career going while MPJ is starting his pro career coming off major back injuries. Maybe he'll be fine, but that's a huge gamble for a Harden trade centerpiece.

 

Therein lies the rub because we will not get anything close to what Harden is. Do we want:

-A player considered to have elite playmaking skills and defense but has little offensive game?
-A player with a very high ceiling on the offensive side but is still raw on the defensive end with back surgery on his list?
-A player who's an all-around talent but don't have or hasn't shown elite level performance on either side of the ball?

 

I can totally see Tilman buying into that package because Harris and Barton would be off the books in a year. It's unfortunate that both are playing like ass right now because i would have a third team take both off of our hands in return for more picks.

 

He has the work ethic. He is also very even keeled.

Like I said in my post above. I was surprised how great his handles were and his playmaking has seemingly improved.

He'll never be Harden who is an absolute maestro on offense but we have to realize that Wall is going nowhere for three years so maybe a secondary playmaker is what we need?

 

You guys realize the reason why MPJ fell so much in the draft with no one willing to take a risk on him was because people didn't know what level he would get back to, just like how you say Tiger wasn't as good. Dwight wasn't as good. Now we know how good MPJ is (and becoming)after the injury. Reinjury is a risk but that wasn't the primary concern, people didn't know if he would come back good at all.

 

What does that even mean? You're trying to deliver muddy water. He's gone for .536 for his career for effective field goal percentage and every year it goes up. He never really shoots more than 20 times a game and has only shot 30 one time last year. His FT percentage ain't great, but he fills a stat sheet all the way across.

MPJ is exciting in some ways but you know he's a huge risk. His back ain't right and you could see it against us. He'll never have the muscle he needs to be great because extra pounds will F- up his game. He's pure potential that's never gonna work out. Brown will win that battle everyday minus one area: age. A 22 year old back problem isn't promising. Things only get worse with backs.

Jokic does wonders for MPJ and that's not repeatable if we trade for him. Coaching and defense does wonders for Brown and that will translate if he comes over.

If we're talking about Murray/MPJ vs Brown/Smart.. that's a real discussion. Brown/Porter-jr. just isn't.

 

That's like hoping Simmons will be a 3pt shooter, as I don't think you appreciate what being a primary ball handler takes. I think building around the idea Wall will be here 3 years isn't prudent, you take the best player.