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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. HardenVolumeOne

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    curry hasnt played in that many games, how can his body be beat up. He was injured most of the first part of his career, and has been off and on injured the past few years, he didnt play at all last year pretty much. so he should be fresh. these excuses are pathetic. And does not really play a taxing style of basketball. he doesnt really handle the ball, its draymond who does, and he does guard his man it was always klay or iggy who did that

    also the warriors didnt change the game, it was the rockets( sam hinkie and daryl morey in particular). it was just the warriors had better personel to implement the 3 ball apporach and run with it. Harden had jeremy lin, curry had klay thompson

    Look at how the warriors are defending the rockets in this video( they had no idea). This was a then nba record 23 threes made in a game. After this game in particular i rememeber zach lowe on twitter stating that the warriors 3 point attempts shot up by 22% after this game for the rest of the season. I kid you not, prior to this game the warriors were rated like 14th in 3 point atttempts as a team. The rockets were far and away number 1

    here is the video

     
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    Best part in the arcade lounge.
     
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    This guy could carry 2 teams
     
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    I’m not sure what your point is? Harden and Curry are BOTH all time greats...I don’t get the mindset where people have to tear down one player in order to build up the other player.

    Kobe and Lebron fans did this for years. Kobe and LeBron are/were completely different players....just like Curry and Harden play the game in completely different ways. Both are great at their own unique style.
     
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    Do you really think that picture means anything? It's easy to spin narratives. Ariza and Terry were both integral role players on championship teams. Dwight Howard is a 1st ballot hall of famer. That graphic also forgot Motiejunas/Beverley who were crucial to winning 56 games. Convenient, right?

    But more importantly, that supporting cast was able to overcome a large 4th quarter deficit against the CP3 led Clippers in an elimination game with Harden on the bench.

    Let that sink in.
     
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    Terry was 37 years old Lol.

    Howard missed half the season.

    So you don't think Oubre and Wiggins are comparable to Ariza?

    How about Draymond he is an allstar and also a integral starter on a championship team.

    Looney is a valuable role player on a championship team.

    Wiseman is much better that Monty.

    Half of those guys were out of the NBA within 2 years but you keep talking about 1 quarter in a playoff game?

    Jason Terry?

    Really?
     
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    And in his role off the bench, he was great for us. He shot 39% from the 3pt line.

    He played in the playoffs, and Motiejunas stepped up in a big way in the regular season.

    It depends on fit. I think Harden/Ariza is a much better fit than Harden/Oubre or Harden/Wiggins.

    Draymond looked washed up last year, and he hasn't played this year. Therefore, the status quo for Draymond is "washed up".

    Also, there's a big difference between "is" and "was".

    He's really not.

    I guess you didn't follow the Rockets back then. 2015 Motiejunas was great for us. He was clearly superior to current Wiseman.

    And how does that have anything to do with their performance during the 2015 season? Can you explain how it makes sense to judge 2015 based on what happened in 2016 or 2017?
     
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    I see you are now not even trying to make sense.

    Words for the sake of words.

    Monty was clearly superior to Wiseman?

    I don't know why I am even engaging with you.

    Bye.
     
  11. wekko368

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    I would love for you to explain why you think current Wiseman was better than 2015 Motiejunas. Current Wiseman is very raw, has no post game, and is on a minutes restriction.

    Your problem is that you try to focus on narrative instead of actual production. That's always going to be a losing strategy.
     
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    You failed to mention that the bench brigade took it from Round 2 to Round 3 under the command of Josh Smith whose face has been smeared.

    Know your History 101.

    Harden was benched by McHale during the most important stretch.

     
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    I would love for to explain why you think 37 year old Terry was so much better than the guys Curry has when he was a defensive liability and if his shot was going in he was useless.

    Are you really knocking a guy in 20/20 for not having a post game?

    Really?

    Wiseman is doing this with a minutes restriction

    24.0 min
    14.7 ppg
    46.9 fg%
    83.3 ft%
    5.7 reb
    0.0 asst
    1.0 steals
    1.3 Blocks

    And that's supposed to be bad?

    Look at what Monty did in that year

    28
    12.0
    50.0
    60

    So how is he that much better?
     
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    From round 2 to Round 3?

    There was a game 7 and Harden scored 30+ to get us to round 3.

    Talk about not knowing your history?

    Y'all act like this happened to clinch the series.

    How did Josh Smith do the rest of the series?
     
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    more media talking points, harden wasnt benched, he was on the bench to start the 4th quarter and mchale stayed with the hot lineup. Harden had 31 and sent the clippers home the very next game. How many times have we seen the warriors build and extend leads or come back from large deficts with curry on the bench. Many times, the warriors were so deep it happened quite often. This is the only instance people keep bringing up when they say harden was benched, meanwhile the warriors back then were winning playoff games in the 2nd round with curry getting dnp's
     
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    If the dude wanted to emphasize Harden doing good work.

    2018 Playoffs would be a better example.

    The first 2 rounds against Minny and the Jazz.

    Harden and CP3 did equally well.

    He also had one or two good games against GSW in the WCF 2018.

    While trying to gloss over the abysmal shooting in Game 7.

    You do not go to a presentation laying out how your main guy was on the bench while the bench is saving the day. Period.

    Hot hand is good. If several players play well with one another, this is called a working lineup.

    I reckon this got nothing to do with the Curry comparison but this had to be said in honor of those bench heroes.
     
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    I think Curry is fantastic player and amongst the all time greats (top 20-30 ish), but he is not on the same level as LeBron, KD, Beard, and I dare say Kawhi ...Giannis...and AD. Most of those players in their prime can/have carried an average team through the season and playoffs.


    The Warriors look like they are on a one-way trip to lotteryville.
     
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  18. jiggyfly

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    Mic Drop!
     
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    So him dropping 30+ in a game 7 is not doing good work?

    Him averaging 27 ppg the entire series is not good work?

    How is this 1 example of 1 quarter of basketball supposed to mean anything?
     
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    Because Terry's perimeter shooting provided necessary spacing and forced the defense to stay honest. Any plus perimeter shooter complements Harden, and Terry was a plus perimeter shooter.

    As I've consistently said, it's about fit and chemistry, not individual talent. Morey built a team around Harden.

    Do you honestly believe that Curry's supporting cast complements him?

    Context matters. How much of Wiseman's stats came in garbage time?

    The Warriors/Bulls game was close. How was Wiseman in that game?

    Because his production actually contributed to winning basketball.
     

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