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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. cmoak1982

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    And CP3 is a better PG than him too
     
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    Isiah never won an MVP, and Stockton/CP3 never led their teams to a title or won an MVP.

    All 3 are clearly behind Curry.
     
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    Steph never lead anything to a title either. He was a part.
    Steph is definitely not above them.
     
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    He was clearly the leader of their first title.
     
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    A sum of their parts.
    Steph is the most overrated superstar of this generation.
     
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    And what team isn't a sum of their parts? Curry was the undeniable driving force behind their first title. He was the focal point of their offense.
     
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    No he wasn’t, a movement based system with elite shooters and Draymond.
    I will give him credit for that ring, but he didn’t carry the team. Him, Klay, Draymond, Iggy, Mo Speights, Barnes were all key factors.
    In fact Klay took as many shots and scored about the same that year.
     
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    The obsession some rockets fans have with curry just spells insecurity. Whether or not someone can take a team to a ring with no help doesn’t challenge being the foundational piece of one of , if not the 2nd greatest team of all time.
     
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    A movement based system predicated on Curry's gravity. Curry was the clear engine of that 2015 team.

    Also, I don't think you understand how GOAT lists work. To sit at the table, you need accolades and titles. At that point, you can then start arguing about supporting cast, era, efficiency, etc... Curry is at the table. CP3/Isiah aren't.
     
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    No I don’t think you get that some players are above rings and accolades. Curry is more of a system player than Zeke or CP3, those two are the system.
    Curry has proven he can’t lead a team without a 1A/B, and he will continue to do it this year.
    He’s a great shooter and that’s about it.

    If this was a list of all time shooters, he would be the goat.
     
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    Does this logic also apply to Jordan? Or Kobe? Or Magic? Or Bird? Or Shaq?
     
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    Don’t compare Steph to any of those players.
    He’s a shooter, that’s it.
     
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    Unless your standards are consistently applied, you won't be able to make a compelling argument.

    Because right now, you're holding Curry to exceptionally high standards (that only Olajuwon, Duncan, and Dirk meet) and punishing him when he fails to meet them. But you aren't punishing other stars who also fail in this regard.
     
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    No I’m comparing legitimate players that didn’t need a system and other elite shooters to help them win rings. They were the reason, Steph was not.
    Steph is Reggie Miller with rings. Not that that’s a bad thing, but he’s not anywhere near top 3 or goat status.
     
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    Steph in fact has had his share of playoff duds, but those games get glossed over. Because “rings” that he wasn’t even the best player on his team for.
     
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    He clearly got to play an injured team in every single playoff round as well. When that didn’t happen the following season he lost, and then went to recruit a better player.

    If Stockton and CP3 got to face injured teams in every playoff round they likely ring too. Unfortunately, they always had to beat a better team to get a ring.
     
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    Maybe but the championship Steph from half a decade ago is still much better than this Steph so far.

    I think he is about to decline if he hasn't already.

    Slowly but surely.
     
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    This doesn't change the fact that Curry led their first championship team.

    Also, neither Stockton nor CP3 have MVPs. There's no argument for either of them over Curry on a GOAT list.
     
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    Steph Curry’s 1st 4 games against us in the 2019 playoffs

    game 1: 18 points on 5-12 shooting

    game 2: 20 points on 6-16 shooting

    game 3: 17 points on 7-23 shooting

    game 4: 30 points on 12-25 shooting

    series was tied at 2 because he was getting carried by KD

    games 1-3 would’ve been deemed as absolute choke jobs by Harden, and he’d be getting eviscerated...if Harden started out a playoff series with those numbers, we very well would’ve gotten swept
     

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