I don’t recall them not willing to trade Brown for AD. It was Tatum. I don’t think Brown was viewed as the centerpiece for an AD trade - like Pelicans were holding out for more at the time. he’s definitely improved a decent amount. Hardens perceived value has dropped. we can also keep hoping Denver sucks.
Well, I was basing it off of the game I saw today. Him and Smart could've built a nice chimney with all those bricks they were shooting.
Agreed, they looked completely overmatched against the Nets. Also, I think Boston's offense is pretty sweet and could net James a lot of open shots.
We aren't going to get a player with Harden's ability in return on any trade. We need to get the possible deal though.
went over to a Celtics forum too read their thoughts on who they would give up.. first post I saw was walker plus draft picks... good god
James would be the only chance they have against the nets. I don't get teams that arent willing to trade a very good player when you can get a player of James quality
Very well might be true, a lot has to change for a franchise when you take on a player of Harden's elk. James just seems like the misfit NBA superstar. I don't see a ton of teams out there who would want Harden TBH. Not saying that there aren't any teams out there who would not want Harden services, I just don't think it's as many teams as JH OnlyFans here on CF think...
Why do you seem to think Brown gets you a guy that has finished in the top 3 in MVP voting in 4 of the last 5 years, and likely will do the same for the next 3-4? I think the media has really done a job on fans, throwing out names like Brown and Herro as if they are relevant. Nice players, but you don’t trade Harden for just nice players. the package is what it is. Centerpiece, young talent and picks. You are trading for a guy just under Lebron in ability and impact. You don’t get him for Brown. I’d rather get 2 more seasons from an MVP candidate, then trade him for the best package we can get at that time.
Right now we seem desperate. If one of the contenders start falling back then they will be desperate, that's when you trade when they need Harden more than you want to get rid of him. It will make make diff of getting kemba vs jaylen
I don't think Harden is enough for them to beat Brooklyn but they definitely won't with this current roster.
Also, if that trade was made, we would have Brown through the 2023-2024 season and he is currently only 24.
PG was top 3 in MVP voting before he got traded for Shai, gallo, and picks. Cp3 and KG were top 5 MVP voting players got traded for role players and picks. James is 31. That and history tell you he isnt going for more than that. There is no guarantee at all harden can keep this up two more years let alone 4-5. His reputation is garbage right now in the locker room and someone difficult to play with.
Here's to hoping Harden has some 40-point games in the next few weeks. We have to drive that value up. GET THAT MAN THE BASKETBALL!!
In that case you still keep the younger guys. They would rather build around brown and tatum than trade one for an old player.
The reason teams are hesitant on Harden is "fit" and "attitude". It's not that Harden can't ball because everyone in the league knows he can but it's simply his play style and his willingness to play off ball. LeBron is way more versatile as a player and more of a team leader than Harden is. Harden puts up gaudy stats in the regular season and simply takes games off and doesn't carry his team in the playoffs the way a player of his ability is supposed to. LeBron and other top 5 players in the league: KD, Steph, Kawhi, AD turn their game up and go into an extra gear in the playoffs, while Harden plays at the same speed as the regular season. It's levels to this, the best of the best can always rise up to the occasion. That's why teams aren't offering more for Harden. But I know Harden OnlyFans here are going to say that I'm bashing James but it's the God's honest truth. If you could ask the majority of NBA front office personnel they would 150% agree with me.
PG got traded for a mountain of picks. 5 picks and 2 swaps, plus Shai and Gallo. Interestingly enough, those picks are why Miami can’t make a good offer for Harden. CP3 was an opt-in-and-trade. He would have opted out and signed with someone else. He did not have 2 years left on his deal like Harden...he was an expiring with a player option. Even still, they got Beverley, Lou Will, Harrell and a pick out of the deal. Anthony Davis got Ingram, Ball, Hart and 3 first round picks (one was the #4 pick in the 2019 draft). Stars, especially those in their prime like Harden, cost a fortune to acquire. I won’t try to convince you otherwise when history clearly shows that to be the case. James’ game is not based on athleticism, so I’d expect him to play at this level for several more years.
