MPJ is basically the opposite of Simmons. Elite 3 level scorer. The questions are can he defend, and can he create for others. I have more faith in MPJs ability to develop creating and defense than I do in Simmons ability to shoot. MPJ is not a good shooter. He’s an elite one, off the bounce and catch and shoot. IF the front office is satisfied with his health examination, I’m ok with him as the main piece, obviously with other pieces coming back.
If Rockets trade for MPJ get ready for similar videos about his lack of defense. As well as lack of ball handling and passing. Trading Harden for a 6'10 catch and shooter. Crazy.
Calling him a 6’10 catch and shooter is like calling Simmons a 6’10 pick and roller. MPJ has the tools to be all around elite offensively and every bit as good an athlete as Simmons. Put those two together and you have the best player of all time.
Im watching him right now, he's getting steals, he's stuffing shots, he's bringing the ball up the court, he's the guy. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they said no to moving MPJ, even for Harden with what he’s showing. He’s got serious potential, and already a very high baseline talent.
nah. I’m not too worried about that. There’s tons of risk with a guy like MPJ...risk that doesn’t exist with Harden. I’d also add he’s a terrible fit defensively next to Jokic.
Do you watch MPJ play? He has all the tools to be a star in this league. Hes fearless and can make any shot. It's night and day watching him and Simmons. One is afraid to even attempt a shot the other feels he can make any shot. If Simmons actually attempted threes and missed I'd feel better about him as a prospect. The fact that he outright passes them up shows it's more of mental thing that I don't think he can ever fix.
If you think that’s funny, get ready to hear this Shake Milton is very good Aaron Gordon is trash Ben Simmons is a center who needs to play off ball like Adebayo, making plays from the low post and on fast breaks only, he has a hard limit on his ceiling because the only place on the court he’s a threat to score from is directly under the rim, like Clint Capela. MPJ has the skills and physical tools to be a top 10 player, not saying he will ever reach that, but his ceiling is that high.
Except Simmons has more skills than just rolling to basket, so your analogy lacks merit. Simmons has elite guard level skills in 6'10 player. Point guard court vision, point guard ball handling, point guard passing. Simmons is also capable of a triple double every night. MPJ will likely will not accomplish a triple double once every season. Simmons is proven elite defender with DPOY ability and proven All Defense 1st Team also led NBA in steals per game. MPJ is so far from this, it is highly unlikely that MPJ will be the defender that Simmons is. Becoming a better shooter is the ONE skill in the NBA that can be improved upon. This is Fact. By the time you get to NBA, ball handling, court vision and passing are skills that can be honed but unlikely to be GAINED at this level. Herro is a better investment than MPJ in my opinion. Because his all around skills are more developed than MPJ. Finally, MPJ is not ideal to build around Wood. Someone has to be able to feed these players. Both Herro and Simmons are better fits with Wood.
Dude he’s hasn’t even played a season worth of games yet, and I’d be willing to bet who’s better between MPJ and Murray will be difficult to distinguish by the end of this season...unless MPJ really blows up and distances himself. Ben, the #1 overall player, on a max, had to play off ball and let Shake Milton, a 2nd rd pick on a rookie deal, the guy you’ve wrote off as trash multiple times, handle to ball to end the game. Let that sink in, brother man.
FYI Aaron Gordon was +17 tonight while MPJ was +0. AG scored 20 points in 19 minutes, MPJ scored 24 points in 30 minutes. Learn basketball.
go ahead and tell me AGs TS% last season vs MPJs. but keep being cocky in a trade idea thread, you bad bad man.
Im not pinning any hopes on Shake, your pinning hopes on an all nba “PG” who’s being forced off ball to let HIM run the offense.
LOL I see you are going this route because you cannot dispute the facts I provided you. I have already admitted that MPJ has the higher offensive potential so arguing TS is moot. What we are discussing is efficiency and skills other than shooting. MPJ still has to prove that he will not be a net NEGATIVE when he is on the court. As of now, he is a one dimensional offensive player WITHOUT the advanced guard skills.
I think most everything you said is true. I don’t think Simmons is on a normal development track for shooting improvement. Perhaps something can be done to get him headed in the right direction, but I don’t see it right now. He’s not trying, and every shooting video I’ve seen of him in games and practice looks horrendous. It’s normal for a young, offensively minded player like MPJ to lag on the defensive end. That’s also something that can be developed. It may not go that direction, but I’d be willing to bet he shows improvement as a creator and defender over the next 3 years. I just don’t see shooting as a discretionary skill for a non-center in the modern game. Toss out the guard/forward discussion...Simmons is a ball handler that can’t shoot, which just puts way too many limitations on your offense. I get that he’s All-defense and a great passer and finisher in the paint. But come playoff time, I see a lot of his value on the offense being squeezed as the game slows down and the paint gets more contested. Shooting is what creates the opportunity for passing, and at least from a development standpoint, having someone like Wall to set the table should help MPJ.
You haven’t, and have never, laid down any facts, you always just give your opinion, but unsurprisingly I guess you can’t distinguish that from facts. Gordon was less efficient then WB last season, his efficiency has been declining, he’s athletic, he’s inconsistent defensively, he’s not a terrific rebounder, and an inefficient scorer, he doesn’t really do anything well. MPJ has shown serious potential offensively, his efficiency and scoring rate as a rookie was very impressive, I watched the Den game tonight, he was very active on D. He was comfortable taking the ball up the court, in clutchfans lingo IVE SEEN ENOUGH, the mans has scary good potential, and is already a very good player. I hope he’s our #1 target, if you disagree thats totally fine, just keep you LOLs to yourself.
Simmons best comp is Bam Adebayo, that is the role he needs to replicate. Right now he’s a broken player who breaks his teams offense. You cannot have a non shooter run then offense in the half court. He’s great on the fast break, he’s good in the low post, he’s good cutting to the rim, he’s good on lobs, all his passing skills don’t matter if he’s dribbling the ball on the 3PT line. Bam averaged 5 assist in his role last year, Ben can do the same in a similar role. I like Bam, I like Ben playing the Bam role., but that role has serious limitations and is not a franchise option, it’s just a terrific 2nd or 3rd option next to top tier guys.
