Is it the conservative point of view or is it Trump‘s point of view? I am curious where do you get your information from? What news sources do you use? What facts do you bring to the table? Btw “likely fraud” is not facts. I would love to have a straight forward discussion.
There's a lot of inaccuracies here. I'll just go with a few of them. Masking up and locking down isn't just a guess. It's based on actual evidence and knowledge of how virus' are spread. If you wanted to make claims that the way some of the lockdowns have been implemented weren't effective and not completely compliant with the evidence, there might be a discussion to be had. But saying that it's all guess work isn't accurate. The vaccine has been developed in record time. That's great. But the vaccine and lockdown isn't an either/or situation. Trump's ban on Chinese travel still allowed tens of thousands in from China. That isn't really a ban. The election was absolutely not stolen. There has been zero evidence pointing that out contrary to your claim that it isn't for lack of evidence. Cases have been taken to court and thrown out based on lack of evidence over and over again. Many of the cases are about procedure and don't even level an accusation of fraud. Those, by the way, have been thrown out as well. These aren't being thrown out by only left leaning judges. They are being tossed by judges appointed by Trump and Judges with conservative records. I do have some questions, though. If Trump truly believed that the election was fraudulent why wouldn't he use is position and supposed influence and access to funds in order to hire a competent legal team? He hasn't. Why isn't he spending the money being raised on the legal battle? Why is most of it going to pay off his campaign debts? Does that really sound like someone who believes the election was fraudulent? You make claims about the states and their motives of wanting the results but again have offered absolutely zero proof. If you are going to accuse both Republican and Democratic officials of both wanting the Republican candidate to lose so much that they would criminally accept fraudulent results then you need to offer some proof. You've offered none. Only legal votes were counted except in the few isolated cases, many of which were illegally submitted for Trump. There certainly weren't enough illegal votes cast to change the result of the election. Trump was beaten by a wider margin in the swing states than he won by in 2016. He lost the popular election then too. This time he also lost the electoral college. You make the claim that there is no way Biden got that many votes legally, but have offered zero proof that is the case. It sounds like it just doesn't seem right to you, so you'll go with your feelings rather than actual evidence. There have been recounts by hand more than once. Trump lost those too. There has been signature verification. Trump still lost. He didn't make up ground. The press reported (not covered up) Hunter Biden, but even if the allegations were all true, it still isn't newsworthy. Hunter is playing zero role in his father's administration.
The thing I don't hear anyone say is that any voting procedural changes (mail in, drop box, early voting), did not adversely affect one candidate over another. Both candidate's supporters had equal access to these procedural changes.
video footage, surveillance, eyewitness accounts, voice recordings, data analysis, statistical impossibilities, sworn affidavits, live testimony, extraordinarily high error rates in ballot software...
Let's start with "extraordinarily high error rates in ballot software". We can come back to the others later. Point to me the evidence of that.
another example of dismissive, sarcastic, disrespectful responses to a different point of view. Y'all have really made my day with your reactions and it just solidifies my take on the leftist attitude toward a conservative way of thinking. Eye rolling, insults, everybody that thinks differently is a moron, you're crazy, etc....seriously, keep it going.
you know that was ANALYSIS/OPINION and outdated right? here are most recent facts: BELLAIRE, Mich. (AP) — A livestreamed recount of the presidential election in a small Michigan county turned up no sign of shenanigans Thursday, only a handful of additional votes for President Donald Trump. Trump padded his Antrim County victory with 11 more votes, while Joe Biden lost one. The Republican county in the northern Lower Peninsula has been under intense scrutiny since the Nov. 3 election when initial results showed a local victory for Biden. It was attributed to human error, not any problems with voting machines, and corrected. But a judge still took the extraordinary step of allowing a resident to take forensic images of election equipment. The hand tally “confirmed the truth and affirmed the facts: Dominion’s voting machines accurately tabulated the votes cast for president in Antrim County,” said Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson.
That’s an opinion piece that is false. Report spreads debunked claims about Dominion machines in Michigan county
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-547883--,00.html
You presented an ignorant, baseless, factless point of view that is disrespectful to everyone who posts here with facts and evidence. If the election was stolen then Giuliani needs to present the evidence in court and not on Twitter or on Fox News. He can’t do it because there are consequences to lying in court. The notion that there is some grand conspiracy that includes Republican elected officials in multiple states and Republican nominated judges including numerous federal courts and even the Supreme Court is ****ung stupid and to attach it as conservative thought is an insult to conservatism.
you havent really demonstrated any "conservative way of thinking". all youre doing is complaining about people criticizing a politician in the D&D. and being a trump supporter/defender has nothing to do with conservatism. trump isnt a conservative or a republican. you came in here all full of piss and vinegar, looking to stir the pot and get a reaction. you did it to a degree and now youre whining about people responding to you. thats just silly. there was no election fraud on the scale that would have changed the results. and we have more examples of trump supporters engaging in fraud than we do anti-trumpers. trump himself was the one telling people to vote illegally prior to the election. he is the ultimate boy who cried wolf. he has been saying for over a year that the election would be a fraud, but only if he loses. when he lost the iowa primary to lyin' ted he said it was fraud. even in 2016 when he beat hillary he still said it was fraudulent. at what point do you trump supporters start thinking that maybe he is conning you? trump lost and youre being duped by a proven pathological liar and narcissistic con-artist. you need help...im not even trying to be snarky here. if youre for real then i kind of feel sorry for you. your grasp on reality is tenuous at best. again, you need help.
So a couple of things about that article. Most importantly that isn't enough to overturn the results of the election. Also, the article claims the machine was was intentionally and purposefully designed to create fraud. It doesn't offer any evidence of that claim, just that the supposed report makes the claim. If you link to the actual report, it makes several undocumented and unsupported claims including that the machine made errors to get the ballots adjudicated. So any ballots that had errors were then gone over by people who aren't Dominion voting machines. In fact the report links to twitter account of "Kanekoa the great" as evidence for how cheating is possible at adjudication. The link doesn't suggest that cheating occurred in Antrim's voting adjudication. There is zero evidence of that. But the fact that they are using the twitter account of "Kanekoa the Great" as support for anything in the report shows that the report isn't really a valid report by any means. The report simply doesn't show evidence backing it's claim. When the report the article is based on uses the twitter account of "Kanekoa The Great" to support it's claim, the report isn't worth the paper it was or wasn't printed on. The Washington Times did a crappy job checking their sources.
