Can you quote me on this? With the exception of Harden's first season here, I think Harden has clearly had more help, not only in terms of talent, but also in terms of fit. You're ignoring fit. GSW has tried to acquire as much talent as it can while ignoring how they'd fit with Curry. Morey always tried to build rosters to complement Harden. In 2014, we had Dwight, Parsons, and Beverley. In 2015, we had Dwight (for half a season), Motiejunas, Beverley, and Ariza. In 2016, we again had Dwight, Ariza, and Beverley. In 2017, we had Ariza, Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Beverley, and Capela. 2018/2019 were the CP3 years, and 2020 was Westbrook. Those are all better than what the Warriors have now. No he couldn't. The Warriors have no defense and no perimeter shooting. And Oubre's 35% was a career high. It's presumptuous to assume he'll improve on that. Ariza's career high in shooting was 40%, and he accomplished that in Washington the year before he joined the Rockets. Crap shooters, yes. But also significantly more talented than the likes of Oubre/Wiggins.
Bullshit. Dray, Wiggins, Oubre and arguably the best player in the draft is enough to not suck if you truly have a top 5 player and two time mvp on your roster.
Draymond Green is washed up, and Oubre/Wiggins are poor fits next to Curry. If Wiggins were replaced by Joe Harris, the Warriors would be a better team.
No he isn't. You mean Curry is a poor fit alongside others that you just can't leave or that can't let him hide defensively? He's a PG...break down a defense and get your shot and others involved. Oh, he can't do that.
Curry needs to figure something out. Silver has moved on to bigger and better things so he and Kerr need to man up.
I'm not just referring to tonight. Folks are wondering if this team will even make the playoffs, same as they did last year. He has enough talent on his team to not suck. Wide gulf between playing with guys good enough to win a title and being expected to be an average to bad team. This is not a roster full of bums.
You guys can keep talking about Harden’s ability to carry a team during the regular season, TS%, ppg, vorp, post defense, usage, toughness, durability and whatever else you want to justify thinking Harden is better than Steph. All those things above are great but at the end of the day this thread shouldn’t even exist. Harden needed to win at least one ring in the last 5 years and then maybe just maybe you can have a debate between him and Curry. 1 MVP and ZERO Championships + any package of reasons/excuses you want to include DOES NOT equal 2 MVPS and 3 Championships. If both players retired today Steph would be considered anywhere from around top 15 to top 30 at worst amongst NBA GOATS. Harden may or may not to be considered top 50. Of course Harden fanbois will say he’s top 10- 20 with a straight face (funny bunch you are) but he’s closer to a Westbrook rather than Steph who’s a tier or two above them. There’s levels to this ****. Win a ring first and then maybe you can talk.
Yeah he is. Did you watch him last year? He regressed in every aspect of the game. Sure he can. Curry can create shots for teammates, but because of they were ice cold today, they couldn't capitalize.
Nah. This part of his career counts too, and it will be clear that he can't carry a team that isn't stacked. If he retired when big brother Durant left you may have an argument.
In that case would steph curry be the first top 15 player with under 17,000 career points by age 32 lol. he needs to step it up. Harden came off the bench his first 3 years, and is lapping the field with curry when it comes to production. Best offensive player my butt, he isnt even the best offensive player from his own draft class
I did. He isn't a #2 option, and the only thing that really regressed was his FG% because he wasn't getting the same type of looks (he isn't great at creating his own shot). I did notice a star guards numbers regress and I bet $$ they regress this year as well, if he even makes it the entire season.
Although we haven't seen Green play this year, I predict that his defense will also regress. Also, since the Warriors lack good shooters, his "playmaking" stats should also drop.
Performing is not having a crappy stat line and now having your team down by 30. You were saying Curry has no help. Curry has enough help to not put an embarrassing performance like that. A 30 point game lead for one of the best offensive players please, miss me with this crap. Curry has enough help for this not to happen. What are you talking about Draymond and Klay fit perfectly with Curry as well as other pieces. I hope you are talking about this year. Curry has had plenty of players who compliment him, its not all about 3 point percentages, its about scoring versatility. Curry has Draymond, Oubre, Eric Paschall and Looney. Dwight played half a season in 2015, Beverly played 51 games and Ariza scored 12 PPG on below average TS%(same with Beverly) Mantiejunas also scored 15 PPG on average efficiency, actually he's very close to Wiggins last year in this regard. Oubre, Wiggins and Paschall can score more than these guys(Ariza,Beverly, Montiejunas) on the same or better efficiency and have done so. None of them are bad defenders either. Wiseman will most likely be better than Capela. 2019 Cp3 missed a whole lot of games and so was Gordon, we were working with G-league talent. And just told you that was Westbrook's production in 2020 was awful I honestly would rather have Draymond. Westbrook was bad, w we worse with him on the floor. 2016-2017 you may have an argument for. 2018 you dont really because Harden went through month long stretches where he carried our team without Gordon and Cp3 AND beat better teams. So no, they are not all better than what the Warriors have now, understand the facts bro. Yes he could and he has already done so. They have enough defense not to get blown out like they did. He should improve with the amount of open looks Curry provides if he's supposedly a great offensive player. Ariza's volume also increased significantly when he came to us. And as I said, its about scoring versatilely and efficiency. Its not simply about 3 point shooting. They are better scorers. and comparable defenders though, its not all about 3 point shooting. I have no idea why you think this. Anyways Im done with this, back to ignore for you.
LOL... I think you overshot on that one quite a bit. Reasonable take, "This entire thread is ridiculous. Do we really need to put the collective insecurities of our entire fanbase on full display? Steph was great even if he can't carry a team the way Harden does. His success just shows the value of having the right group of complementary players together because you can't be a primary member of potentially the greatest NBA team ever assembled and be a loser." Instead you insult Harden and say Steph is better than Harden????????? On a Rockets board?
Dont listen to him. He's a very a good playmaker(top 10 by Ben Taylor's standards) and he's one of the best defensive players ever and in the game right now. He's not going to be able to coast if they want to make the playoffs. His last three to four years were better than when Draymond was on the Rockets. Dude doesnt and continues not to know what he's talking about.
All those championships are just off of having a stacked team with multiple all stars. UnanimousVP is just product of hype and Curry's clean cut image as a golden boy of the NBA. Yeah he is the best shooter of all time. But being the best shooter doesnt mean he is better than Harden who has been carrying crap teams to the playoffs for most of his career. Even this year when people are saying he should be carrying he still has Wiggins, Oubre, Draymond Green and Wiseman. In contrast Harden had to make do with Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon as his main men lulz and they got like top 3 record in the West.
