1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Did we miss something? Rockets rebuild

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by justtxyank, Dec 18, 2020.

  1. D-rock

    D-rock Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    40,743
    Likes Received:
    64,232
    Tilman is the devil.

    And only Patrick can perform the exorcism that the Rockets desperately need.
     
    cbs1507, BHannes2BHonest and HP3 like this.
  2. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,744
    Likes Received:
    41,174
    He's also 25 and coming from a garbage team.

    Rebuild, reload, all in - he fits all of these.
     
    HP3 likes this.
  3. Roc Paint

    Roc Paint Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    22,329
    Likes Received:
    12,444
    Cheap ass b*stard
     
    the11mingdynasty and D-rock like this.
  4. Roc Paint

    Roc Paint Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    22,329
    Likes Received:
    12,444
    I’m only kidding Tillman for Tita please hang me a banner in the rafters at Toyota Center
     
  5. Space Ghost

    Space Ghost Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    18,093
    Likes Received:
    8,537
    Maybe Im missing something. I think this point has been beaten multiple times but die hard fans have been very naïve to it.

    Tilman takes well established brands and waters them down into mediocre experiences. Typically these brands originally place quality of profits. He comes in and squeezes a good bit of profit from that quality. It becomes mediocre. Not crap like Olive Garden and Red Lobster, but just mediocre. Its where you take your high school valentines sweetheart, not your 25th year anniversary. You're probably not going to get laid if you take them to Landrys.

    This is exactly what he is going to turn the Rockets into. Mediocracy. Nobody is going to be fighting over tickets. There is going to be an abundance of discount tickets. Lots of dumb gimmicky ****. Hard core fans are going to hate it. If he gets 3 1st draft picks in a row, he might spend some money on a championship. Don't expect him to spend 20m extra year to just move up a couple spots.
     
    D-rock and HP3 like this.
  6. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,774
    Likes Received:
    41,189
    Just saw this thread. You're making sense to me, unfortunately. It would explain a lot. Morey leaving, especially. Westbrook leaving (which I was glad to see) and then Harden wanting to leave. I think Fertitta is close to being on a financial precipice. What a year.
     
    D-rock likes this.
  7. DatRocketFan

    DatRocketFan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    12,665
    Likes Received:
    17,779
    So let me get this straight. Harden, mda, Morey and wb saw the writing on the wall that cheap ass owner is pivoting towards a rebuild while sprouting bs to the guillabe idiots that he's doing everything to compete? Or everyone is leaving cause harden is a toxic diva and tilman is putting a stop to it and fix hardens mistakes
     
    D-rock and HP3 like this.
  8. DatRocketFan

    DatRocketFan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    12,665
    Likes Received:
    17,779
    Hmmmm which one is more believable
     
    D-rock likes this.
  9. juanm34

    juanm34 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    6,770
    Likes Received:
    7,927
    The fact of the matter is that Harden/ Westbrick / Cheeseburger Morley/ and MDA did not pan out. It wasn’t going to magically work this year either.
    Dumbass Tilman realized he ****ed up and he and his goons needed to resolve the issue.
    MDA needed to go-
    Cheeseburger needed to move on-
    Westbrick needs to retire-
    Harden needs a super Team-
    Tilman needs to butt out and let Stone and Silas build a new squad .. a squad that wants to be more than swag champs.

    ****unknown sauces
     
  10. abaker28

    abaker28 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,917
    Likes Received:
    1,383
    I think its more of a retool.
    My definition of a rebuild is tearing something to the ground and starting from scratch with youth and picks.
    A retool is making changes whilst still trying to compete which is what I see us doing. But also doing it to give us both trade assets and future picks, which we had non of at the end of the Morey era.
    PLUS a culture change. Added professionalism in what should also be a shift in media perception post Harden.
     
  11. Stephen_A

    Stephen_A Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2016
    Messages:
    5,905
    Likes Received:
    4,918
    I have been trying to analyze this whole situation and a lot of things don’t add up along with conflicting reporting. As I say these reports are 50% truth. I believe it starts with Westbrook. We now know he was unhappy about the culture of the team and he felt much blame on him for the series against the lakers. We don’t know exactly who he felt this blame from as these murky reports go. But I have reason to believe the Rockets wanted to trade Westbrook since the season ended. These reports came out even before he wanted out. I assess The cultural issue, leadership upheaval, and possibly learning that rox wanted to trade him was the final straw leading to him wanting out.

    With Westbrook gone and the leadership upheaval Harden followed suit and wanted to go somewhere more stable in terms of coaching and management. Remember it started with Harden remains committed to Harden is thinking about possible destinations to he wants out now. Harden probably took time to think and consulted with KD other confidants during this period so “thinking” evolved into “wanting out now” over the course of a couple weeks. As for the cheap young talent, this has always been the Rockets MO in terms of free agents over the years in the Morey era, which this same management team was in place for.

    Rockets never signed big name free agents and always got players on the cheap e.g. Luc, Melo, MCW. The only big signings they did as far as i can remember was EG and Ryan Anderson which were semi desperate moves to get shooting and talent around Harden. And Ariza was a relatively major signing but historical trend dictates the Rox Dont like offering big money to free agents. And can you blame them due to luxury tax and cap space? They put together a quick and defensive minded team with capable ball handlers and a scoring big around James. This was their plan. And I do believe they were aware that they might lose James and have an emergency scenario/backup plan for that as well. This certainly isn’t a surprise for management.
     
  12. DatRocketFan

    DatRocketFan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    12,665
    Likes Received:
    17,779
    Ummmm. If We get rid of harden for youth and picks. Isnt that basically a rebuild.

    U downgrade from harden no ones gonna believe that u r retooling to truly compete for the ring. Also note that with Harden gone + tucker. The oldest vet on our team is what Gordon?

    Idk we seem to b getting younger, isn't that a sign of rebuild? Ps. Dont believe that culture change bs, we are going to cater to the next star that comes here.1
     
    D-rock likes this.
  13. NotInMyHouse

    NotInMyHouse Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    3,644
    Likes Received:
    1,023
    Which is unusual because typically people hate money.
     
    Roc Paint likes this.
  14. Texanasiafan

    Texanasiafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2013
    Messages:
    7,003
    Likes Received:
    2,812
    You should put down whatever you are smoking now and open the damn window and see the light which you missed for 6 months.
     
    Space Ghost likes this.
  15. Texanasiafan

    Texanasiafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2013
    Messages:
    7,003
    Likes Received:
    2,812
    If the Rockets will trade away Harden and unless you can get back someone like KD (which is not possible anyway), this team's ceiling is probably winning a play in game and got swept by the Lakes in the first round.

    And that's not a rebuilding?
     
  16. Stephen_A

    Stephen_A Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2016
    Messages:
    5,905
    Likes Received:
    4,918
    gotta look at historically what rockets have done to determine the future. Rockets have never been big on expensive free agency signings. This was a staple of Morey ball/management team given the room to operate. I think we should keep it simple. Westbrook wanted out harden followed suit and we are where we are. But I contend Rockets wanted Westbrook out before he wanted out.
     
  17. Texanasiafan

    Texanasiafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2013
    Messages:
    7,003
    Likes Received:
    2,812
    There are so many naive Rockets fan doesn't understand this simple fact.

    If Harden will be traded, this franchise will have ZERO desire to keep Wall till his contract expired, they will try everything they can to trade him away, plus Gordon or even Tucker, even for a bag of chips.
     
  18. Stephen_A

    Stephen_A Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2016
    Messages:
    5,905
    Likes Received:
    4,918
    I think we are looking at semantics here. Any situation after Harden would be a rebuild is how I am reading it.
     
  19. Stephen_A

    Stephen_A Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2016
    Messages:
    5,905
    Likes Received:
    4,918
    Cousins is low risk high reward. Again when we talk about rebuild I think we are looking at semantics.
     
  20. Space Ghost

    Space Ghost Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    18,093
    Likes Received:
    8,537
    Rebuilding is just another term for the owner being cheap and refusing to compete because there is no cost benefit. Clippers were rebuilding for a decade. New York has been rebuilding for 2 decades. Tilman is gonna keep this team in the fam so we will be rebuilding indefinitely
     
    DatRocketFan likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now