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WTF is a "culture change"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jiggyfly, Dec 16, 2020.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I want a contender, when you have Harden's talent you should at least be conference finals pretty much every year - that is the bar - Harden has gotten there, but he flames out, and the closest he came was with CP3, and Harden decided he didn't want CP3 around anymore and sunk his own boat.

    Harden is not someone to tie your franchise too, he is not a win at all costs leader, you need someone else to lead - whether on the bench with a coach, or on the floor like CP3, unfortunately, Harden also pouts when he doesn't have the ball....

    Honestly, either he gets with the new culture or I am happy to see him go, because watching ISO ball and knowing it will fail is a waste of another year.

    DD
     
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  2. blahblehblah

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    Every person who's been part of a team knows the importance of culture.
    • Accountability
    • Hard work/Determination.
    • Focus on the Process not Outcomes.
    • Teamwork.
    • Trust in Self & Teammates.
    • Appreciation of Roles.
    • Open and Honest Communication.
    • Respect of Self and Competition
    It's not rocket science to know that changing a culture which lacks these ideals to one which encourages them is going to be preferable to most.

    JVG said it best -
    Profound yet simple...
     
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  3. malakas

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    You don't hear much about them anymore because instead of being infamous and a circus they are now respectable organisations.

    What do you expect? That a good culture is going to insulate a team from devastating injuries to stars like what has happened to the Blazers and recently the Wizards?

    A good culture can't replace good health or superstar talent but it can put said talent in the best position to succeed.
    Which team has won a title with horrible culture?
     
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    For the ESPN article to come out right after Giannis signed his supermax, is very fishy.

    Culture is set by the front office and coaching staff. It'll probably change only after Harden is gone.
     
  7. jiggyfly

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    Did you miss the Last Dance?

    The Showtime Lakers?

    The Shaq Kobe lakers?

    THe Shaq Miami team?
     
  8. jiggyfly

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    This was your original statement.

    I wouldn’t label it as success unless there was a ring attached.
    I would call it competitive or at least relevant.
    But that could be semantics or matter of opinion.


    That statement was definitely black and white and it's why I asked you the subsequent questions.

    You initially said successful and now its super successful?

    It seems you don't really have a difference either and just wanted to **** on what Houston has done with Harden.

    But that could be semantics or matter of opinion.:rolleyes:
     
  9. daywalker02

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    I liked Isaiah Rider, that's an arrow through mah heart.

    Different players, one was an athlete but wasn't the skilled player or shooter Harden is.

    Throwing manure at the wall until it sticks.

    DD
     
  10. cmoak1982

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    Once again, chill out. Take a step back, you are not under attack.
    The bolded part is my opinion on what success is, and it is not black and white. It’s the opposite of that.
    You are conflating great players with being successful. If you want to say that’s individual success, fine. I don’t care lol

    I don’t believe that to be the case. They’re great, the teams that win consistently but not rings (Rockets) are good teams but ultimately not successful compared to their peers. They’re good, possibly great. Not successful.
    And yes there are levels of success. So that is where the semantics come in to play.
     
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  11. daywalker02

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    Did Shaq party in Vegas, first time I heard it.
     
  12. durvasa

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    Success is really just a measure of how satisfied you are with the achievements of the Harden-led Rockets, isn't it? Each of us measures success differently, depending on what we prioritize in terms of achievements. You may be fine with scoring records and getting past the first round, while others are perhaps not satisfied with anything short of a championship. So arguing over whether Harden has been "successful" or not is really just an argument over what we should be expecting from the team.
     
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  13. jiggyfly

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    Nobody is attacking you here, so no reason to step back.

    Nobody was comparing them to peers you said they were not successful point blank.

    This is not semantics its moving the goal post.

    So in your mind if you don't win a ring you are not successful, I get it since you once again stated that here.

    Semantics is you saying not as successful but you are saying in your opinion the Rockets were not successful, that's cool just own it.
     
  14. cmoak1982

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    Again, chill out. You are not under attack, you are not the Rockets or James Harden.

    I don’t have to explain anything to you, I’m sorry you can’t understand that.
     
  15. jiggyfly

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    Success is not a really a measure in my opinion it's relative.

    I can't judge another person's success.

    What I do know that in any sport getting to the playoffs is a success and winning multiple series are a success it might not be the ultimate success but still a success.

    This is not about Hardens Success it's about the team success compared to the rest of the NBA.

    Do you think the Harden led rockets have been successful compared the the NBA as a whole?

    I have no idea what Hardens scoring has to do with any of this.
     
  16. jiggyfly

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    Again i am doing nothing to chill out for, I am trying to have a conversation on things you stated in the past.

    What have I done that's not chill?

    Your right you don't have to explain anything to e but yet you keep answering things that's not the question.

    I take that back, you have explained that you think the Harden led Rockets have not been successful because they have not gotten a ring.

    I was just verifying that.
     
  17. jiggyfly

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    Shaq was always showing up to camp out of shape and not practicing and partying.

    Read up.
     
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  18. cmoak1982

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    Ok then you have my explanation, no further questions needed. So stop asking
     
  19. daywalker02

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    Thing is all he did was dunk the ball and rebound in the end.

    Couple spin moves here and there.

    His game was literally just that.

    You can be fat and still dunk if you are 7'2.
     
  20. jiggyfly

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    I never asked for an explanation just a yes or no answer and for some reason you keep evading it.

    I get it.
     

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