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JVG on James Harden and Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by csc177, Dec 17, 2020.

  1. banzai

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    More like passive aggressive. Lol . Actions speak louder than words bro. He’s acting like he just got a new step-dad and James is the man of the house. . More like a spoiled and scared little boy. He’s not my daddy!
     
  2. Nook

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    The same reason that the Rockets consolidated some of the jobs in their business offices, the same reason that the Rockets have promoted people on the business side of the organization to new roles on the basketball side of the equation. The same reason that the Rockets do a lot of stuff they do...... it saves money. By promoting Stone and hiring a rookie head coach, the estimates are that the owner is saving 8-10 million dollars a year.

    Fertitta is the same man that made all of his restaurants stop cutting lemons and limes into 1/4 and made them cut them into 1/16.
     
  3. Verbal Christ

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    Thats how you choose to look at it, but using that logic shouldnt the new step kid be a little wary? Just go running into the arms of whoever 'mommy' brings home?

    too many people are forgetting to use the human aspect to what is going on. James has feelings too! LOL
     
  4. Sep11ie

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    I guess I don't understand why he has so much trust in MDA and Morey. I guess cause he got to run game his way with MDA and Morey would sign his buds and ship off dudes he didn't like?
     
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    Did we used to have separate GM and President of Basketball Ops positions? I don't remember that, at least under Morey's tenure.
     
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    Agreed. It's a great idea by @Nook ... Unfortunately I doubt it'll ever happen.

    Not because of Fertita... But rather I doubt jvg leaves his broadcasting job for any job other than coaching. (Just my guess). Dude loves to coach, not sure he has that passion or interest for GM or basketball operations.
     
  7. Kevooooo

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    I like how JVG got passed for this job and yet he still genuinely happy for Silas. I love this man and hope he is coaching somewhere again.
     
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  8. Deuce

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    I mean, when you put it that way.....
     
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    Tilman spending money? ......that's the problem.

    But good suggestion
     
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  10. banzai

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    Word... I was kind of being facetious with my post. The mind definitely has a different filter on things than reality to make sense of life. You can see that It’s been James and his mom. A coach is a father figure- someone. I see Silas approaching this like a new step dad. In the other coaching relationships, James was still wearing the pants. Maybe, just maybe, Silas can get to him - to have James trust him by not reacting to his antics. I’m glad you can see where I was going with it.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    I like this idea better than JVG coaching again.

    His past experience was with the last gen of divas and the current gen prob won't respect him off the bat. It's just a guess. Most players he coached went the extra mile for him, except for that guy....

    That and he isn't getting younger. He'd probably love and hate the job equally with a passion.
     
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    Respectfully, asking for a trade is not 100% locked in.
    Even if Harden is 1000000% locked in on being GOAT this year, he's already given his teammates a vote of no confidence. Not 100% helpful.
     
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    Dang
     
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    He applied for the position lol if he was really indifferent he wouldn't have applied. Unless you don't give a F and don't expect to get hired at all sending in a job application and taking a job interview takes effort, you need to prepare your speech and be ready for any questions and requests. It's too much work for somebody who is really indifferent to something it's like saying you are indifferent to watching the Avengers End Game movie but you drove a car 3 hours just to attend the movie premiere.

    This article makes it out like JVG is the one who turned down the job lol wtf I bet he was "indifferent" as soon as the Rox said they weren't hiring him.
     
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  15. Verbal Christ

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    thats it! Just like the Stephen Jackson BS .. "you gotta ride with the Black coach" junk. Black guys can be aholes too! Too many people interjecting their world views and moral codes on Harden. He has a right to be leery until others prove themselves to HIM .. he's already earned his stripes here.
     
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  16. Nook

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    Well Morey is the guy that traded for Harden and has been the GM since he arrived in Houston 8 years ago, over time he built up a close relationship and more importantly he trusted that Daryl Morey would do what it took to make the Rockets better. It is a similar situation with MDA.

    What has been discussed in the media by those close to Harden a few times is that he is a very cautious and not an instantly trusting person. I remember Morey one time years ago talking about when he first sat down and had conversations with James that he could tell that James was very cautious and did not reveal a whole lot. It took a long time before Harden let down his guard and believed in Daryl..... that is a common thing with Harden, he is loyal to individuals that he develops a strong relationship with........ the problem in part is that the people that Harden trusted are largely gone. People point to Tad Brown as being someone that is still in the organization and someone that Harden is close to, well that is true, but Tad isn't the one making the basketball operations decisions.

    Ultimately the Rockets ownership and some of the people in the front office miscalculated who Harden was and where his loyalties lied. He was loyal to those people and not just a name on the front of the jersey. Also, Harden and Westbrook also sent out huge hints there was a problem, from the repeated leaks that the players wanted to be involved in the GM search to the fact that they preferred Lue be the coach.

    The reality is that the Rockets have an owner Harden doesn't like, a rookie GM and a rookie coach and Harden is driven to win now, and the confidence just isn't there.
     
  17. Nook

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    No, we didn't. However the Rockets front office set up is and has been dated for sometime. Morey wanted to change the model a handful of years ago and the money and resources were not there..... same with player development, Morey wanted to revamp the player development part of the of the organization and again, was told the money wasn't there after initially getting a promise it would happen.
     
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  18. roslolian

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    Well I don't.

    There's no correlation between actual NBA basketball experience and being a good NBA manager, for every Jerry West and Pat Riley you got Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas. JVG is good as a coach but IIRC he was the defacto GM when they overpaid for guys like Mobley and Steve Francis back in the day. His bro SVG is an excellent coach but did a shitty job as the GM of the Pistons.

    Coaching and being a GM are two different things. The coach always wants do things that help him win now the GM has to keep the future and cap flexibility in mind. A coach has to have empathy and gain the respect of his players the GM has to be cold blooded and be able to make difficult decisions. A good coach would extend PJ Tucker for everything he has done for the team and his effectiveness as one of the best defenders in the league. A good GM would trade him for assets in light of his age and to lessen the team payroll.

    We know JVG is a great coach but that doesn't mean he'd be a good manager or head of bball operations. We are extremely lucky both the rookie GM and rookie coach are doing a great job but I don't wanna push it and suddenly make a lifer coach the president of basketball operations. I mean Magic is a genius pg we know how his bball operations tenure turned out...
     
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    And I would advocate for a disciplinarian in management telling players that they shouldn't be late for bus rides, meetings and they only get 1 day off at best, they should choose wisely which day in a whole season it should be.
     
  20. Nook

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    #1 JVG wouldn't be the GM

    #2 JVG is smart enough to differentiate between the role of being a head coach and head of operations.

    #3 The Rockets front office has ZERO decision makers that either coached or played at the NBA level. None of them are former NBA scouts either. There is a lot of value in having someone that has played in the NBA or coached in the NBA being a voice in the room when decisions are being made. Just like it is foolish for teams to pay no mind to analytics, it is likewise foolish to not use the resource of someone that has a lot of experience coaching or playing the game.

    #4 JVG has exceptional connections within the game from the college, international and NBA level. He has been able to be around and forge relationships with numerous people. He is very good at identifying good coaches as well, as his staff (which he picked) were always excellent.

    #5 The Rockets need a point man in the organization. Silas is a rookie, Tilman is terrible at it and not qualified and Stone apparently hides from the press. The Rockets will have someone that can talk to the press, talk to the league, reach out to other team presidents etc.
     

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