because derozan, defends, rebounds, and playmakes like Simmons and was also 24 when the Spurs got him back in the kawhi trade
like u said, simmons needs help. but what makes u think tilman is gonna spend for help when he didn't do it with a top 3 player in harden? and there aren't many avenues to get that said help when u have nearly 120M in salary committed to just 4 players. lol and i love john wall and was a huge proponent for that trade with westbrook.... but there is no team in the league that is gonna take on a supermax salary that is paying 48M/yr towards the end of the deal. the only the way that comes off the books is if you take on an equally bad contract.
and once again, for the 1000th time in this longass thread, with herro being on a rookie deal, u don't need to bank on him being the no.1 option. is he a championship player? hell, he contributed in a big way on a team that went all the way to the nba finals... what makes you think he couldn't contribute to a playoff team? man some people on here...
He’s a fringe all star just like Simmons. One who would make it in the east but not in the west. Neither are taking your franchise where you’re ultimately trying to go
after this season it’s 2 years left and if he plays at a high level...someone will absolutely take him. They said that about Chris Paul, westBrook, there’s always a team that will take him- especially if he looks 80% of what he was. lastly, the owner being a problem is a separate issue. U don’t stop getting a player like Ben Simmons bc you’re scared the owner won’t spend and if the owner is that cheap, Simmons is still a draw at 24 years old and u can sell hope to fans.
And for the 1000 time you are trading James harden....,u want as close as dollar for dollar exchange as u can get. F a rookie deal. Get a young all nba player and build around him. Move contracts, trade pieces but step 1 is to get a superstar in return. Teams rebuild for 10 years and don’t get 24 year old all nba players especially when losing an mvp.
he was all nba and a 2x all star at 24 whose versatile 1-5 on defense, rebounds and makes others Better. Derozan wasn’t an all star till he was about 26-27. Not to mention he does one thing well...score. Is a sieve on defense.
Yup the cycle of westbrick’s and walls on super Max’s has run its court. People who think these are going to be easily traded sooner rather than later aren’t paying attention. It’s nothing more than a hopeful assumption. Wall and westbrick were nothing but a perfect storm. Westbrick did Houston a favor and wanted out. Wall being injured and ready for a fresh start off injury. Both just happen to have the same exact contract. You’re not seeing that again
And yet is still a fringe all star who wouldn’t make it in the west as I said previously. Even with those accolades.
That’s great. Harden didn’t make an all nba team and yet was an mvp candidate. So I wouldn’t keep propping that up. There was also cases for other players to make that spot that year.
hahahaha "they said that about chris paul, westbrook... there's always a team that will take him".....hahahahahahah guess who chris paul was traded for? and then guess who westbrook was traded for? funny how cp3, russ, and wall are all connected together by the same team bc they were all considered bad contracts and traded for each other... and now u suddenly think the rockets can trade wall without absorbing another bad contract? oh man... and for once, i'll understand if tilman doesn't want to spend if/when the rockets unload harden. it made no sense that he didn't spend when he had one of the best teams in the nba with one of the best players of this generation.
Was he also a fringe all star tho? You’re reaching. Hard. Or u just don’t want much nba outside of Houston if u think derozan and Simmons are comparable outside of not being shooters. 1 can impact a game in multiple ways, the other can’t. Plain and simple
Harden would be an all star in both conferences. Unless you’re saying he’s not one in the east which would make no sense. You’re nobody to tell me what I don’t watch and don’t watch. Get better before acting like you know everything around here. And yet derozan with Toronto has had better regular seasons and taken his team farther in the playoffs than Simmons has on his own. But Simmons apparently is in a different realm.
there’s multiple teams and owners who don’t spend and have superstars on the team. Like I said wall can easily build back his value. It’s clear as day Simmons is what the rockets want and would be ecstatic to get back. Like I said u can get Simmons and shred salary other ways if that’s his ambitions.
I don’t know everything at all. And I love the back and forth here but saying Simmons is derozan is a trash take. Not a “fringe “ trash take, A terrible trash take. Horrible. U tried tho. wow that’s bad
Not really. Thats why derozan has gone farther and had better seasons in Toronto as the face of the franchise. What exactly has simmons done in Philly again and in the playoffs. Their best season he wasn’t even their 2nd best player behind embiid and butler. He’s apparently this different realm from derozan. Case in point. Both fringe all stars. Quit trying to make Simmons into this elite tier player. He isn’t.
a trash take is thinking that john wall's salary is moveable to add pieces to a simmons trade. again, i love john wall and he is infinitely better than westbrick... but simmons+wall is not competing for anything... that's one guy in wall who is not a consistent threat from the perimeter, and another in simmons who is zero threat from the perimeter. and it's not like the rockets have a steph curry or klay thompson to take some of the gravity and open up floor spacing. just disregarding cap space bc all u casuals have no idea why it's important... the fit of the team with wall and simmons isn't gonna work at all. you're not anywhere closer to a championship, and you're just mortgaging 3-4 years of the future with simmons to settle for 6th-7th seeded playoff berths at best and first round exits. by then, simmons will probably leave and we'll get almost nothing back in return. is that really what we want?
