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Giannis signs max extension

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ThatBoyNick, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. daywalker02

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    True, opt out clause after 4th year was good.

    I think he is a good guy but he isn't Doncic.

    He hasn't got the skills to do it that's why he needs so much help.

    It is a shame he didn't start playing basketball earlier, develop those skills and a consistent shot.

    Now he has the most money and still no good shooting.

    To succeed King James, you got to be another King James.
     
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  2. Salvy

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    An employer can have a change of heart too but its the employer, while the employer should also honor said contract and I'm sure no one wants to get fired over feelings the employer should have more say than the employee. Not the case in the NBA... Honestly I already spent too much time thinking about millionaire's contracts and feelings. I don't pay Giannis or Harden so not my problem... You are right, something something basic human rights... I forgot already...
     
  3. Phillyrocket

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    It’s the nature of the NBA. If you don’t have one of the top 3-5 players you have ZERO chance of a ring. It’s worse than the NFL with QBs. The players have realized that and are acting accordingly. They hold all the power because the labor of 3-5 players completely controls the results of the league. There’s no balancing mechanism no market inefficiency to exploit like with baseball or build a great defense with a game manager QB like football.

    Unless you had LBJ, Curry or Kawhi on your team in the last decade you didn’t win and the NBA has been like that forever. I’m not sure what the solution is. I used to think super teams were the problem but when Kawhi and LBJ can take different squads in different cities to a ring then you really see what matters.
     
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  4. ElPigto

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    Irrelevant. McDonald's Employee does not equal NBA Player Superstar Employee. I know you know this, but for whatever reason it is brought up over and over again as if it has any relevance to a conversation. If McDonalds finds a superstar employee that brings millions of dollars of revenue to its location because said employee found some secret formula to draw in customers, then maybe that superstar mcdonald employee can act like an entitled diva.

    Who said they aren't honoring their contracts?

    Harden is playing, isn't he? He practiced with the team, didn't he? As far back as I can remember, players have honored their contracts by playing (unless the team chose to sit them out, i.e. Anthony Davis). It doesn't matter what their performance may have been because we all know that if an employee is not motivated and disgruntled, they are likely not going to produce amazingly Of course, certain employees have their morals and ego on the line, so some still perform, but may not perform at the very very best. It doesn't mean they didn't hold up their end of the bargain, unless said contract states, "Employee must perform at the most optimum amazing level they are capable off and this will be measured by using these metrics..."
     
  5. Salvy

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    So the term does not matter? Just that they did the bare minimum to get paid and fulfill requirements of the contract. I don't know man, if you employed someone for 3 years would you want or expect them to work for 3 years or is just a couple of weeks of meh effort okay? Harden has far exceeded in his time here. We haven't had talent like him since Hakeem and sadly wont have talent like him possibly even in the next decade. If he wants to leave I understand, he has earned every bit of it. But I would have liked if he at least gave this team a shot and honored the contract. Is it much to ask? I know he wants a ring and deserves one, but is that ring really worth it when you just jumped ship? How many guys ruined their reputation by jumping ship? It doesn't always work.
     
  6. ElPigto

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    I would expect employee to hold their end of the bargain, however, once the contract is signed, unless I have some metrics to motivate the employee to get bonuses (MVP, All-NBA, blah blah), I have no idea how it might work out. That's the risk of signing a contract. I mean, look at a player like Hassan Whiteside or our very own Kelvin Cato, they signed a large deal and their effort fell off a cliff. Harden is obviously not those players and like you said, he's far exceeded contract expectations, however, if at any point he simply got tired of the Rockets, this is the unfortunate consequence that comes out of signing a guaranteed contract.

    I'd love for Harden to give Houston a chance, but how many opportunities he has given the team. Granted, he has a fully guaranteed contract with one player option, so it is also his fault for signing a contract with no outs (he lost his own leverage). However, as long as he does the minimum, he is in fact fulfilling his contract. It doesn't mean we have to like it as fans, but that's the reality of this game. It's business man. This has nothing to do with emotion. It's nothing against the fans. It's nothing against Coach Silas or any of his other teammates. Harden is looking for a change of scenario and it is within his right to ask for it, just as it is within the Rockets right to say no. However, he by no means has to be a team player and he can be a cancer and just let this go to ****. Considering that he is a scarce "product" (top five player, MVP, etc) and that the league allows teams to treat these players like gods, this is the byproduct of when superstars are ready to move on.

    I think Tilman has done a disservice to this team and I certainly understand James being upset about it. I get that the team has tended to his every need and babied the **** out of him, but at the end of the day, Tilman has not made the moves when necessary because he got cold feet. I get it, he is a different type of owner that is basically carrying a ton of debt to manage his businesses, so obviously he has to be careful how he chooses to spend money on the franchise. The problem, there are moves that we can all look at and say, well ****, that definitely would of been wise to pursue. For example, overpaying for Ariza and bringing back the 17-18 team, or making the deal for Jamychal Green/Garrett Temple at the deadline, or not sold FRP after FRP to dodge the tax (we could of used those to make better deals), etc. I get it, he's had a large payroll, but it's all relative, and he certainly could of opened the check book and truly shown that he was serious about being a championship contender.

    This season he is finally spending, but it may be a little too late.
     
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  7. Salvy

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    I don't like Tillman as much as anyone, but its difficult to really know what happened. And I don't think we ever will. Our GM and coach were sold on small ball bs... And in part it actually worked in 2017-2018 when we still had Capela... Then they took it to the extreme and that Westbrook team was not even fun to watch. It is a business, and The Rockets are Tillman's best asset. Safer than any of his investments long term so he should honestly be dumping most of his money on this franchise vs anything else. I hope Harden stays but it doesn't feel like he will. And once Harden is gone Houston will lose any and all attention. Back to the Francis/ Brooks days. Unless we get Simmons, then its all good.
     
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    Maybe they can prohibit trading a player with two or more years left in his contract?
     
  9. Easy

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    Guaranteed contracts is the problem. Once you sign a contract, you get paid regardless of your performance.
     
  10. cerophilik

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    Well then why didn’t he signed a 3 year contract instead. The problem there is with players thinking they have aright in demanding a trade. I get it, but it doesn’t make it right. People outside the NBA sign a contract and if they break it they need to repay or they get fined even jail time. Signing a contract means you know the terms of the deal and you have agreed with it.

    One thing is to demand a trade another is helping your team find a way to move you so you can get traded there. Holding hostage a team just because your unhappy isn’t good, like what Kawhi did or AD. And what James is doing isn’t right either. Yes he has been with us and done a lot.

    still he signed a contract all of them do. It’s like if a team tried to not pay the players because they are unhappy. Or if a team overpaid a player then seeing that player didn’t pan out as planned and then paying him less. A team can’t do that but a player can force a team to trade them? That’s not fair.

    if they want their say they can sign shorter term contracts. But they don’t because they want more money and secure that money.

    sorry I went off tangent but my point was if they don’t win (which they had and have a good team) everyone knows he will demand a trade. And that’s not fair, not fair for the team or the city.
    and I don’t care about the owners. :p
     
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  11. TimDuncanDonaut

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    My emoji interpretation is a bit off. Did Philly actually thought they were in contention to get Giannis?

    What's the emoji for delusional.

    If he did go there; talk about three guys not fitting together.
     
  12. lakersuck2

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    It's weird because sports might be the only industry in the world where the actual workforce employees are the most irreplaceable. Usually as you climb the coporate ladder, the employees or managers or board members become more and more invaluable to the company. But in basketball there are actually more Billionaires in the world than people who can dribble like James Harden. If he leaves or might take decades to find someone as good but if Tilman leaves he'll be replaced instantly. That's why I think "owners" in the NBA should just shut up and accept the fact that they bring nothing of value except capital. They're not there for talent, skill, or insight. They're just walking money bags. If anyone should have power in a basketball league it should be the people who can play basketball.
     
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  13. STR8Thugg

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    This is good news. I am happy for him and the Bucks. I'm sick and tired of spoiled ass stars bolting for shitty cities like NY and LA.
     
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  14. Air Langhi

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    Who has gone to the Knicks in that last I don't know how many years. Before Lebron, the lakers had been trash for 6-7 years.
     
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    Brooklyn Brooklyn got crazy loot that's because when there is beef, they aint scared to shoot.
     
  16. STR8Thugg

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    Brooklyn plays in NY too, but okay.
     
  17. TWS1986

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    what? lol.
     
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  18. Air Langhi

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    That is true, but they had been an also ran forever too.
     
  19. Fyreball

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    That's not an angry emoji....it's a "LET'S GO!" emoji. They're pumping themselves up for the season or something.
     
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  20. STR8Thugg

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    The Clippers also play in LA...

    If you look a big name players that forced their way out via trade or signed in FA, a large percentage are NY or LA, and the media craze over them is just annoying as hell.

    Maybe if Clutchfans members wouldn't make a thread about Stephen A. or Kellerman 3x a day I wouldn't notice the BSPN ****.
     

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