Well regardless of who everyone likes, only one of them will be a Rocket (Simmons) if Harden is traded this year. Herro would be next year because of the cap situation and the fact that the Heat being bad benefits the Rockets. If Herro is great again this year, guess what? He'd still be available in a year. Simmons probably not because Morey has lust for Harden right now and the 76ers are going to be elite with Simmons or with Harden because they are finally built right. I can't wait to see what happens if Simmons is traded here. Are these haters going to root for him or just belittle him?
It's an interesting debate, go with Ben Simmons who has a higher floor but lower ceiling or Tyler Herro who its possible to have a higher ceiling but much lower floor. I think defense and playmaking are consistent enough to warrant betting on Simons. I also think Simmons could be deadly in a 5 out system. I also think he has a playmaking advantage over Giannis.
Because Herro has shown great development and he could become a star with the most currently valuable skill in the league- shooting- while I think that building your team around Simmons leads you to a quick playoff deadend every year. Plus I think that Simmons will want to get traded 2-3 years down the line. I don't think that Simmons is horrible. But I will be damned if he ever develops any kind of shot. Honestly the sentence " Simmons is a bad shooter" is a huge understatement.
this is the problem I have bro u can’t compare Simmons and his 11-12 shots all right at the rim to Lebron who takes 19 shots with 6 of them being threes and several more of them being midrange jumpers...if Bron restricted himself to only taking shots in the paint where he is routinely above 70%, his TS would be way above Simmons, but he won’t because it’s difficult to be able to generate 19-20 shots every game only at the rim...that’s why Simmons’ shot attempts are always pretty low
No. Lebron James was NEVER incapable of shooting outside the paint and midrange. He may have been a bad to mediocre shooter but he was never incapable.
I was saying this many pages ago (lol this thread literally flyed in one single day) there's no reason to fight over this, i personally prefer Simmons but i'd be totally fine with Herro, both players are young and good so, we'll be fine anyway. I'm more concerned with what we'll do after this trade tbh.
He has a huge playmaking advantage. Night and day. He is also a better ballhandler He is also a worse driver in traffic and worse finisher. At this point sadly he is only a slightly worse FT shooter with how Giannis FT% has worsen. However again when it comes to shooting outside the paint and midranges there is no comparison. One does one doesn't. And even with that Giannis has reached a limit and deadend in the playoffs. Let alone Simmons whose shooting is non existant.
I mean, yes scoring is important. But has he shown playmaking abilities to elevate an offense? And has he shown that he isnt going to be a defensive liability? I dont think so either. I can answer those questions with Simmons. Herro I really dont think he'll ever have those qualities. I dont know if Herro ever becomes a star in this league like that. That has merit. But I feel like hed still be worth whatever assets Herro could accumulate, like it would take a while for him to be the guy you are talking about if he is indeed that guy to begin with. But he hasnt been in the right system tbf. He hasnt had quality shooters around him before or played in a 5 out system, I think its worth giving it a shot. I understand that, another valid compliant. I will go with higher floor, lower ceiling because Im more risk averse in this case.
I agree but you cannot completely disregard it as useless either. Simmons is All NBA player who's forte is distribution, rebounding and disruptive elite defense. When did the be all and end all for a basketball player be the ability to shoot and only shoot? Otherwise Seth friggin Curry would be making max money.
It's not a knock to me, it's just comparing how Simmons and Herro get the buckets. For as bad as Simmons is at shooting, he still manages to score efficiently. Simmons also averaged 5 defensive win shares as a rookie compared to Herro's 1.3. Simmons averaged 37% ast % to Herro's 13% ast % in their respective rookie seasons. The gap between Simmons and Herro outside of shooting is greater than the gap between their shooting.
I mean let’s make it clear, a poll of gm’s, a poll of casual fans, a poll of donkeys , my 6 week old new born, on earth, on Mars, on Jupiter, on any any continent and in any language u want you take Simmons.
I dont see why Herro can't become an average defender and actually not just average but above average playmaker. He is only 20 years old. He can be the next Booker or Murray.
But do you think if Giannis played with another top 10 guy in the league, that these concerns could be mediated? Giannis had a problem with the wall Miami built no doubt, but dont you think Simmons has him beat in playmaking to negate some of this? But then again....Simmons doesnt shoot period so its weird LOL. I can understand the reasoning for Herro. Im just more inclined to go with the safe bet again lol.
It's one thing to be a normal player and have fortes and weaknesses. And it's another thing to have a black hole in your game. Shooting it's not just his weakness. It is his black hole. He isn't a bad shooter He is a non shooter.
