To do what? It's not like he can take a midrange jumper either. Or a turnaround jumper. Defences are just going to guard the pass 100% of the time every time.
And what makes you think that a) Harden won't add more contenders in the next days if he has to sit and wait.He already has added two more teams in the last week. b) That Ben Simmons won't demand a trade as well down the line which will limit our options. Only instead of having to deal with Harden's mother we will have to deal with Klutch sports.
Like Simmons, impact metrics paint him as a top 20 overall player, I dont understand why it has to be stated that he's better than Herro imo.
To cause the defense to crater around him - open up shots for Boogie, Splash, Wood etc... again you want him to shoot - that is not the only redeeming quality in basketball. I'd be fine if he went in there and dunked it over everybody every single time and never shot the ball it works for Giannis.
exactly and since that’s the subject I said poll gm’s on that subject matter and Simmons wins in a landslide. You’re bringing up how gm’s from teams don’t make mistakes- sarcasticly. All gm’s make mistakes it comes with the job, the only mistake on THIS subject matter (simmons vs herro nothing else) is picking herro over Simmons. In a bubble a poll of gm’s on nothing else but this hypothetical Simmons wins overwhelmingly. Not a debate on roster construction, draft evaluations, playstyles that’s completely off topic I’m talking strictly Simmons vs herro.
y’all are comparing TS between low shot attempts, only at the rim Simmons and high volume guys or guys who take a plethora of jumpers Simmons’ TS% is very good at 60%...his shot profile is similar to that of a lob catching/dunking C even if he gets those shots in different ways than that type of C would...basically it’s all at the rim and 0 jumpers...the only way his TS could be bad is if he sucked at finishing since he takes no other shots Herro’s TS% of 55% is league average, but most rookies don’t even hit that Devin Booker’s TS% his 1st 2 seasons was 53.5% and 53.1% Jamal Murray’s rookie year TS was 51.8% Jaylen Brown’s rookie year TS was 53.9% sh*t, rookie year Harden off the bench was 55.1% TS...and no, I’m not saying Herro will be Harden
in the 3 years hes been in the league, what exactly inspires someone to believe hes going to become this all world type of player that's already on a fresh 4 year max?
Here are 2 of the best analytics I can find that take into account both offense and defense. Giannis ranked so high due to his defense + his offense. Basically the same with Harden since his defense is underrated. Notice Ben Simmons at #19 just below Tatum and Trae young. This seems like the most valuable players in the league and most are above average defenders except for a few but this basically shows their value to a team. A box score estimate of the points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team." Box Plus/Minus 1. Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 11.5 2. James Harden • HOU 9.6 3. Kawhi Leonard • LAC 8.9 4. Luka Dončić • DAL 8.4 5. LeBron James • LAL 8.4 6. Anthony Davis • LAL 8.0 7. Karl-Anthony Towns • MIN 7.8 8. Damian Lillard • POR 7.5 9. Nikola Jokić • DEN 7.4 10. Jimmy Butler • MIA 5.4 11. Paul George • LAC 4.9 12. Joel Embiid • PHI 4.7 13. Kemba Walker • BOS 4.6 14. Chris Paul • OKC 4.4 15. Nikola Vučević • ORL 4.2 16. Khris Middleton • MIL 4.1 17. Jayson Tatum • BOS 4.0 18. Trae Young • ATL 3.9 19. Ben Simmons • PHI 3.6 20. Rudy Gobert • UTA Value over Replacement Player A box score estimate of the points per 100 TEAM possessions that a player contributed above a replacement-level (-2.0) player, translated to an average team and prorated to an 82-game season. 1. James Harden • HOU 7.3 2. Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 6.6 3. LeBron James • LAL 6.1 4. Damian Lillard • POR 5.9 5. Nikola Jokić • DEN 5.5 6. Anthony Davis • LAL 5.4 7. Luka Dončić • DAL 5.4 8. Kawhi Leonard • LAC 5.1 9. Jimmy Butler • MIA 3.7 10. Chris Paul • OKC 3.5 11. Jayson Tatum • BOS 3.4 12. Rudy Gobert • UTA 3.3 13. Bam Adebayo • MIA 3.3 14. Trae Young • ATL 3.1 15. Nikola Vučević • ORL 3.1 16. Kemba Walker • BOS 2.9 17. Karl-Anthony Towns • MIN 2.9 18. Domantas Sabonis • IND 2.9 19. Khris Middleton • MIL 2.9 20. Ben Simmons• PHI 2.8
Really? How about you click this link instead? Leaders of TS% in the last season https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_advanced.html#advanced_stats::ts_pct Ben Simmons is no.40. Very Elite.
I don't think Hero is that type of player either I am not an advocate of either. Straight up I take Simmons but with his contract I would be leery and maybe go Hero. Both are yuck IMO.
because you literally told us poll gm's? how is that part being overlooked on your part? Like YOU were the one who brought it up. don't tell others it doesn't matter and then be the one who mentions it first.
The Pelicans got a great return for Anthony Davis so I would be glad if Klutch sports got involved. But honestly I realize Simmons has limitations but he is a very valuable player with what he has already proven to do. I also like Herro and think he has the potential to rise like Jamal Murray or Devin Booker in the right situation. He is already excelling and given the green light as a 20 year old. He seems like he will get there sooner than anyone expected. I would like either return assuming there are multiple young upside players + picks involved. I also think the 76ers can offer better "add-on" assets like Thybulle, Maxey and more than 2 picks if necessary especially if we include Tucker. Still would probably prefer Herro due to his upside as a scorer and playmaker although a franchise cornerstone defensive player does intrigue me almost as much as Herro. Herro's miniscule salary likely gives him the edge if the choice comes down between Philly or Miami like many of us predict.
So TS does matter and is not made up? Phew. In either case I'm putting myself on timeout for this thread.
No it doesnt work for Giannis. Have you seen the Bucks playoffs in the last two seasons? A much better finisher and driver and a slightly better FT shooter than Simmons and it doesn't work for him. And spoiler it will not work for Simmons either. Because it is the playoffs and you can't play 4 on 5 on offence.
Im eyes wide open surprised that Simmons is in the top 20 of points per possession as such a bad shooter. thats pretty amazing actually.
true. But is Simmons the same type player as Shaq and are we really gonna compare the 2 or are we being obtuse?
but yet the Bucks just dished out 250Ms for a guy who will never win a ring due to his play style according to you? thats really painting players into corners. Lucky for Simmons he wouldnt be counted on as the 1st option here.
So your argument is that Klutch sports means that the Rockets will get better return if they have to engage with a single team that will be a big market 100% and will definitely have not such plentiful assets as the Lakers who had just come off 5 years of tanking and high lottery picks did?
