KMart era lasted 2 years and netted us James Harden. We should look at getting valuable assets over good fits. Herro, Robinson, Nunn are good assets as they are great role players on contending teams. And as young as Herro is, he could potentially be an all star.
Why are there so many delusional people in here? Butler isn't get traded for Harden. Bam isn't get traded for Harden. THE POINT IS PAIRING THEM TOGETHER. Herro, Robinson, FRPs is a very solid deal considering the circumstances. Wall Herro Robinson Tucker Wood/Cousins That is a strong line-up now and for the future.
At least K-Mart could shoot. Simmons needs a solid unit around him to be successful. Kind of like Jason Kidd. With the current salary commitments over the next 3 years, there would be few avenues to build that team around Simmons before he became a UFA.
Miami better involve a 3rd team because I think they would still need to use some of their picks on wings after Herro is gone. Their most clutch shooters were Herro, Robinson and then Butler. You need 4th Q snipers. One Harden doesn't blow out the opposition in the 4th and playoffs. I would even considering giving up Butler for Harden. At the end of the day Harden's Heat would be semi useless surrounded by mediocre shooting, we have seen it.
If you watched the playoffs, it's obvious Herro isn't a 1 hit wonder. AND he's 20 years old. 20! take a second and think about what that means if you are trying to get value back for Harden. He has so much potential, plus all the picks, plus Robinson and Nunn. I just don't know if there is a better deal.
Could be true, but on the flip-side, I think the gravity their shooting causes may be underrated. Other than the obvious one (defense), what makes Duncan Robinson's impact that much different from Klay Thompson's? The league is heavily embracing the three-ball, and while the league certainly has far more shooters than it has in the past, it doesn't seem like there are any more otherworldly shooters than there have been in past eras. I think the value of these types of shooters (can maintain 40% - at least - on high volume) is only going to go up.
Miami can't trade their first round picks. Not sure how many times i have to say this. @BimaThug correct me if im wrong. 2021 pick they already trade is protected. 2023 pick they already traded is protected until 2026 when it's unprotected. So they've potentially traded away picks in any year from 2021-2026. Which means the only year they can definitively trade a first round pick at the moment is 2028. Unless they unprotect the picks they already traded, which btw OKC now owns. They might be willing to do that and it wouldn't be a big deal i guess. I can see them unprotecting 2021 for sure, as they'd be getting Harden. Unprotecting 2023 not so sure, as Harden's contract would be up. And 2023 is the one they need to unprotect. BUT.... EVEN if they unprotect them both, they've traded 21 and 23, so CAN'T trade 22 or 24. Long story short, if you want picks, which YOU DO if you're trading Harden and not getting back a all-star esque young player, Miami ain't it. Which is why, Harden isn't getting trade anytime soon, unless he opens up his list of teams he'll go to even more.
Heck no! Just more speculation. Responded to the OP, that's all. Could have posted the same thing in the other thread, but didn't think about it until I'd already posted here. Herro impressed me, but to get Harden, Miami would have to give up a lot more than that, including Bam Adebayo. More to the point, making the salaries work would be difficult. Harden and McLemore for Herro, Bam, Olynyk and Iguodala, for example. That's a large chunk of a Miami team that just went to the Finals. It gets pretty simple if you include Butler, but then you would have traded one pissed off player for another, and Butler would be pissed off. The reason Miami would consider doing a deal with Houston would be to pair Harden with Butler. Without Butler, it would need a 3rd team involved. At least. Looks too difficult to deal with Miami, unless Stone took some very serious lessons from Morey and Riley really, really wanted Harden.
Exactly. Miami can't trade first round picks for a while. They don't want to trade Butler or Bam. Herro+ the other guys is laughable return.
They can trade Precious... He and the 2025, 2027 picks is not the best FRP package, admittedly. Herro is also the age of a young draft pick.
Not if you can trade Kevin Martin for another James Harden. I reiterate from the other thread -- Ben Simmons: "Win-now and suffer later" Tyler Herro: "Mediocrity with picks, trade later for a future HOFer"
It's not clear they can trade a FRP until 2028 at the moment. But assuming they could trade 25/27 and Precious, that's still a laughable return. In terms of at least somewhat defined here's what we definitively get, all we have any clue about anything is Herro, and even that is still a bit tbd. Based on his current level it's crap return. You just made this part up.
Harden with a healthy Embid and those shooters would give the Lakers a run. I give them a shot at winning it all.
There are already enough threads with folks espousing this nonsense. Do you guys work for ESPN? Repeat after me. Miami doesn't have enough to get James! *Philly. - Ben Simmons + the world
Exactly what ive been saying. Why even have this thread. They don't have the ability to throw a boat load of picks in. /end
Yup you’re getting a top 5 draft talent. That you’ve already seen for a year. If the rockets had a top 5 pick right now people would be all excited about some unknown player. Funny how that works
