I dont know, Herro is pretty dang good and is only 20. He has potential. Houston wont do it. But if you are moving from James, you want a young player who is going to have upside, he is it. Rockets beat Miami in houston, and Herro had the most points for miami in that game. Thing about Miami is they all play together with everyone contributing scoring 10-18 a game, its not just 2-3 guys like the rockets do. Thats why they went as far as they did, its about team game not 2-3 players scoring at will. If other players dont step it up when your star guys get doubled then you aint going far. Also Miami bought in, and were coached to play defense.
Let me start off by saying this. I'm am a rare 76er and Rockets fan. I have been a fan of both teams since Moses Malone was a Rocket and Dr. J was a 76er. I rarely post but because of my unique situation of being a big fan of both teams, I feel that I should weigh in on a potential trade between the Rockets and 76ers. I keep hearing fans demanding a trade of Simmons and a slew of picks. This will never happen. If Simmons is traded for Harden (highly unlikely) it will only be for trash that the Sixers don't want on the roster I.E. Mike Scott etc. What's most likely to happen is that the Sixers see how the team looks currently constructed. If the team is playing well and the chemistry is good there is no way the Sixers trade Simmons without the Rockets taking back a bad contract or offering a pick of their own. I believe the most likely young potential star would be Hero along with young players and/picks. I just had to say something because I keep hearing the demands of a slew of picks with Simmons. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Thanks,
Agree with your take. I've heard many analyst I respect say the same. My own opinion is that unless the sixers start their season poorly, I'll be surprise if they trade Simmons for Harden. Edit to add: For those wanting Bam, you'll have to wait at least a year due to the poison pill provision activated when he signed the extension. He is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to trade this year, unless a team had significant cap space. Edit: you might have the record for longest register date and subsequent first post! 18 years!
Philly is not getting Harden for Simmons and trash. It’s just not happening. Harden is the more valuable and far superior player. The only way that Rockets take trash back is with even more picks coming this way.
We lost because Morey went old, small, and slow while facing the biggest team in basketball. Old, small & slow doesn't win in the NBA.
James harden is really really good player, everyone knows this, but its like other teams says hey.... Harden windows could be 2-3 years and he starts to regress. But what in 2-3 years you win a championship. Toss in Ben or Herro, there ceiling might not be so good, nor will they be the type of player that james ever would be. Just a random Ben( Mcgrady lite) or Herro(Brent Barry) , but who knows. Its a big risk on both sides tbh... They are trying to bank on how desperate the rockets are to trading him, why you see all the low balling. In actuality, nobody on both rosters are worth james. James is best scorer in the NBA, and possibly 6th best player in League(even thou espn has him at 9th).
If you think the Rockets are giving a pick as well harden for Simmons you are living in some far away galaxy. Not only Harden is a far, far better player right now, Simmons even at his absolute prime will never be what harden is now.
I don't disagree with you. This is why I don't think this trade will happen. Sixers won't send Simmons with picks. The sixers don't want to trade Simmons at all actually. He is a 25-year-old 3 team all NBA player and first-team all defense. I love James but I believe if you polled every GM in the NBA, they would rather have Simmons over Harden. Especially after how he's been acting lately. The only teams that would value Harden over Simmons would be teams with a legit chance at winning a title. Most teams are not in that situation but Miami is. This is why I believe Hero should be the target and not Simmons.
I highly doubt many GMs would pick Simmons over Harden, except for long term. And that’s even still debatable. Simmons is just not in same level as Harden. I think Simmons is a nice foundation piece but he’s not a piece that can put a team on his back.
I don't think this would happen. I'm simply giving you an idea of how highly Simmons is valued to the Sixers. If the team is playing well and the chemistry is great this is what it would take to get him from the Sixers. I agree that this is unlikely. I'm just trying to give the Rockets realistic expectations of a potential trade for Simmons. That's all that I'm doing.
Sixer's fans do NOT want Harden. I now that's irrelevant b/c it's up to their ownership/GM but here's one Sixer fan: "I am not convinced that trading for Harden would put the 76ers in the top 3 (Brooklyn--Miami--Bucks in any order) and maybe the Celtics are still better. Remember Harden can walk in 2 years and Simmons is locked up for 5 years. Do you really want Harden to possibly walk away....he grew up in LA. If that's the case then WHY make the trade? You would be giving up a 3 time all-star player who is 24, has DPOY potential and is still ascending as a player as 26 to 32 is the typical sweet spot for a players prime. Remember Harden is already 31 so he will be descending in the next year or 2 to some degree. Harden has played for multiple coaches and with several HOF'ers still in their prime and could not get it done and only ONCE in the past 5 seasons reached the conference finals......ONLY ONCE! Here is another thing to consider: In the past 65 years only 3 players have won the NBA Scoring Title and the NBA Championship in the SAME YEAR. Kareem did it once with the Bucks Shaq did it once with the Lakers MJ did it I believe 6 times with the Bulls Ball hogs like James Harden DO NOT WIN NBA Chips....they just don't."
Morey is posturing. It’s negotiations 101 . As Zach Lowe and March stein pointed out, both sides are eventually going to reach a point where they will agree on Simmons but the haggling will how much assets will be attached to Simmons. It sure as hell won’t be how much the assets we attach.
And there are many other fans all over the net drooling at the prospect? What exactly is you’re point here quoting one obscure fan? Most of their fans on real gm and other sires are happy. Some are not just like any fanbase. So by posting this one guy is somehow definitive proof of the majority?
Im not high on Simmons, I see a player like Mcgrady who cant shoot worth a flip. That to me is Mcgrady lite. Herro, thou man i see some stuff kid can shoot, and is a really good Defender and shot maker. I would rather have him tbh. If i was stone i would pull trigger on Herro, Nunn, Olynyck, Iggy, and 2 FRP. They will probably not let houston have both its either Robinson or Herro, its 1 or other plus Nunn.
Again, I agree with you. I have said that this is unlikely to happen. It will all depend on how the team is playing. If the team is playing great and is one of the top 3 teams in the East, the Sixers are flat out not trading Simmons. If the team sucks then the team would offer Simmons plus players they don't want but no picks. The picks will never happen. This is my only reason for coming on and posting right now. to let Rockets fans know that they should not expect picks back with Simmons if he is offered at all, and I don't think he will be. Me personally, as a fan of both teams I don't want to see Hardin on the Sixers and I don't want to see him leave the Rockets. I know this may be wishful thinking though.
Yeah they would have to throw in Robinson too imo. That’s just not enough for Harden imo. That’s significantly worse than what AD got in return.
I think you forgot that Daryl Morey is the GM of the 76ers. Daryl Morey, who: - has a good relationship with Harden - is known to be a "win now" type of GM - thinks James Harden is the 2nd best player in the league - hates players that can't shoot (the 3). Simmons can't even shoot freethrows. The 76ers will offer Simmons and they will add picks sooner or later. The question is whether or not Tillman will be petty and/or if Miami guts their youth core and picks and whether or not Stone/Tillman consider that to be a better package.
He's not saying the Rockets would need to attach assets. His main point which is shared by Lowe and others, is that the sixers won't be including 1st round picks along with Simmons. Its not a controversial opinion.
This smells of desperation and disinformation. I worry for your mental health if this trade goes down. Prayers.
