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Harden's mother: "He is doing the best for his career...He is asking for a chance to get a ring”

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Dec 7, 2020.

  1. BigShasta

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    she's technically his agent. not technically, but actually is his agent. agents are open to criticism, even if you know your rights.
     
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    Do we even know where Harden is at this moment? Is he back in Houston yet or not?
     
  3. kingkingston

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    Olajuwon did the same if people remember.............but he was 39 at the time
     
  4. King1

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    Going after his mom is beyond pathetic. No life losers
     
  5. King1

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    Don't think anyone knows anything honestly. It's all speculation at this point
     
  6. Patience

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    As others have already pointed out, Olajuwon also demanded a trade during his prime. Dream was great, but he was not some meek, obedient saint. He had his share of drama with the organization. Winning cures all.
     
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    Morey is not going to admit that this was a bad trade. His job is to be a GM and to sell whatever product he has out there on the floor. He wasn't going to **** on the Russ acquisition even if he didn't agree with it.

    This where you and I will agree to disagree, but my basis of judging Morey on this trade is based on all the prior moves he has made as a GM. His approach has always been purely analytical, trying to push the boundaries. Morey values three things heavily based on every acquisition he has ever made as GM (three's, getting to the free throw line, attacking). He's also has taken risks on young talent that he believed had a chance to develop (Thabeet, Terrence Williams, Jonny Flynn). He also threw shots at superstars he truly believed could fit the mold of a three point shooter (Melo and Bosh were guys he was always after.

    Based on the team Morey had constructed with Harden/Paul, he knew that pieces would not fit when you swap Westbrook for CP3. This is probably the reason why Morey had practically guaranteed CP3 would stay a Rocket, because he knew there was no one out there of his caliber available that could make the Rockets better.

    Tilman has been on record as stating he pushed the trade. Even when management got cold feet (because 4 draft picks was way too much of a price to pay more than likely), Tilman made them push forward.

    There is plenty to criticize Morey about during his tenure as a Rocket. Failed moves like sending out an FRP for Terrence Williams, or missing out on Kyle Lowry (who likely would of came to the Rockets) because he was desperate to court Melo, or how about drafting 3 duds with 3 FRP in Royce White, Terrance Jones and D-Mo, or how about letting Goran Dragic go and handing a similar contract to Jeremy Lin (although I suspect Les had something to do with this because of his infatuation with the Chinese market). I mean plenty plenty plenty to criticize Morey about, but the Westbrook move, no, not at all. At least not for those that have been following the Rockets for years and years and followed Rockets every move during Morey's years.
     
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  9. ElPigto

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    What agent? Lol.

    Good story though. I love picking on Tilman.
     
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    Tilman could have very well made the final push, but there were previous negotiations. This could mean that Morey was not ready to give those 2 picks, but maybe was ok with giving one. My point is that if he really thought the move was abysmal, he would have shown a greater opposition . Moreover, negotiations would not have lasted that long.

    His comments on the negotiations do not match with someone who has been absolutely forced to do that move. He really thought it could be a risky move, but valued the upside on it and negotiated. He knew Westbrook was not a great fit, but still bet on it like he historically has bet on superstar talent even if they are not necessarily the best fit (Jimmy Butler).

    OTOH, if he was absolutely forced to do it, thought it was awful, he would have resigned the next day, like he eventually did a year later when he realized that Harden didn't want to continue. Is Daryl Morey, has a reputation and as we have seen he can get a new job whenever he wants.

    Sorry but still don't buy that he leaves unscathed of all this. It's unfair.
     
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    Agreed. She also said “you don’t understand the situation”. The guy messaging her was upset at Harden demanding a trade. Maybe that’s what he “didn’t understand”. It’s probably wishful thinking, but I don’t think her response definitely suggests he absolutely wants out of Houston.
     
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  12. ElPigto

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    I think Morey knew that he was selling low on CP3's contract and that Presti was negotiating from a position of power. Based on CP3's 2018-2019 performance, he was an overpaid aging star with not much value to provide to another team, unless they were at the brink of contention. Even with Westbrook's awful 2019 playoff performance, he still was a 31 year old, former MVP that with the help of Paul George led OKC to a 49-33 record that year. He certainly held a lot more value than CP3. I am sure Morey's ultimate price was likely one lightly protected FRP, but not 4. I'm willing to say that was Tilman's doing.

    And he didn't resign, because James Harden was there and was happy. After all, Morey loves James Harden.
     
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    Winning makes you forget
     
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    It sucks to be in the position coach and his teammates are in, but this is between James and ownership. Unfortunately, everyone else is affected along the way. His teammates and coach know it's part of the business and this has been James's team before any of them got here, so it's a side-effect they will unfortunately have to deal with until James shows or Rockets trade him.
     
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    This might backfire on Harden. While it is his right to ask for a trade, it is also Rockets’ right to get the best deal out of him. That’s professional sports. In the end Harden will be traded but it might be to a team that is not a title contender. What an irony it would be if Rockets wins the ring in the future and Harden never does.
     
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    The problem is that bad teams might not want to take the risk with trading all their assets for Harden because there is a strong chance Harden will request a trade and be disgruntled and then you just threw away all your heavy assets for a guy who wants to immediately leave. It's too much of a risk for medicore to bad teams that aren't looking to win now. Hence why the only offers are going to come from teams that are looking to win now as they know Harden will want to stick around.
     
  18. paboy1984

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    We should wreck his new restaurant dont support that crap like he doing us
     
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    Chillll you don't have to eat there but don't get crazy.
     
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  20. J Sizzle

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    Demanding a Chris Paul and 4 picks for Russell Westbrook trade wasn't "what's best for his career" and giving him "a chance at a ring"

    Why does he care about that now?
     
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