Tunsil and Watson are very similar to me. Both young, talented, have huge contracts and also have a penchant to make mistakes. Both are becoming more consistent, both are in that top 5ish range position wise and both could be prototypes for their positions. That doesn’t mean they aren’t overpaid, and I’m still not sure with those two taking up so much of the cap and how many positions to fill on this team with little draft capital that this team will be good enough to do anything.
1. idk why we even debating. Watson isn't overpaid He's not winning, not because of his ability but b/c the talent on the squad is nonexistent. Look at his WR crops, u give up hopkins for what? Fuller? the guy isn't even there most the time When people said he makes a bunch of scrubs look relevant, that colts game is an example. Literally put watson on any contending team and he will always be in contention for a ring. Texans are hot garbage. No talent = scurbs. If u can't understand that then there's no point in talking.
You don't seem to comprehend a few critical parts of this equation, the first being timing. It was his and Mahomes' turn. Next year, it'll be Allen, Jackson and Mayfield's turn (+ Dak is still owed his long-term deal) and their deals will likely eclipse Watson's because the other factor here is year-to-year inflation. When Rodgers signed his extension, he was the highest paid player in the league. Then Wilson signed his and became the highest paid player in the league. And then Mahomes signed his and became the highest paid player in the league. This is perpetual. When the Texans extended Watson, the baseline was $35MM AAV (Wilson) and Mahomes had signed his extension ($45MM AAV). So $39MM AAV puts Watson between a 32-year old and the best QB in football - right about where a 25-year old as good/productive as he is should be. That's the going rate for a QB in this market. The Texans are not out of line, dollar-wise, and you'll see that when the next wave cash in their chips. QBs are always going to be overpaid. It makes no sense to continually whine about it. He's not Carson Wentz. He is the third, maybe fourth best QB in football. #s 2 and 3/4 (Rodgers and Wilson) are significantly older and already cashed their first big contract years ago.
First of all, he absolutely IS NOT overpaid because his extension hasn't even kicked in yet. His base salary this year is $1.1 million with a total cap hit of $9.8 million. His cap hit for next season is only $15.9 million. So by definition he's not any where near being overpaid right now! If you want to make the argument in 2022 that he's overpaid then that's fine (although if he keeps on this current trajectory of growth then I doubt he'll be overpaid in 2022 even while taking up a $40 million cap hit). Also, Watson is absolutely in the top tier of QBs. Unless your definition of "top tier" only includes Mahomes and Rodgers. Who, other than Mahomes and Rodgers, do you put ahead of Watson? Only one I can think of that's justifiable is maybe Russell Wilson.
I understand completely. I’m not blinded by individual fan mentality. Wilson signed his extension in 2019, same with Roethlisberger. Wilson and Rodgers are older but also significantly better than Watson. Mahomes is in another league. Im very familiar with the way the league works. Quarterbacks are going to be overpaid, which really is proving my point. I think the disconnect is where you view Watson. He is a clear downgrade from the top 3. And for the second tier there are other options to win now and for the future that are cheaper. Talent is there, value is not.
And? So he’s not overpaid this year. He’s still going to be a $40 mil cap hit when this team has no cap or draft capital. And yes, Rodgers, Mahomes and Wilson are definitely better than Watson right now. He’s right there in that second cut
All I'm saying is that by definition he's not overpaid right now. If anything, you're actually still getting incredible value out of him this year and next. It's not until 2022 that you could actually make an argument that he's overpaid. And by then there's a good chance that Dak, Lamar, Allen, etc. all might be making just as much, if not more, than him. I'll definitely give you that he's behind Rodgers and Mahomes. Although I'll argue any day of the week that he'd be putting up very similar numbers if he had the coaching/weapons/protection that those guys have. As far as Wilson, I think it's really a toss up. Wilson was absolutely insane at the beginning of the year but has come back down to earth the last few weeks whereas Watson has had the opposite trajectory. At the very least though you're saying Watson is a top 4 QB at 25 years old with a sub-par collection of weapons, a weak interior OL and terrible coaching.
Only thing delusional is where you are placing Watson right now. His best season has been this year, while also losing so the excuse is lack of talent ( I agree) What is the excuse for poor decision making the previous seasons when there was more talent? My issue isn’t with Watson, we can win with him. He is a stud and if he continues the play of this year he will get into that top tier. My issue is this team has no young talent, and the talent that is young is about to be paid with no cap and picks. Also the excuses that people make while also ******** on other QBs is a little suspect.
I can agree with most of that. The switching positions is hyperbole and won’t know for fact though. Plus Wilson has a worse Oline and worse defense this year. Still winning in the toughest division in NFL. And the logic of no players, no coaches, no talent (not saying you specifically) is another issue. The video posted earlier about how much he has grown in his weakness areas (decision making, bad throws, poor footwork) is all on him? Ok, that’s fine. But then that means his mistakes (happening a lot less this season) are all on him too.
Deshauns biggest mistake of his entire career was sending out one gawdam tweet. The one where he endorsed butt chin.
There has literally been talk of Tim Kelly getting a head coaching job on this forum. He runs O’Brien’s system. It can’t be everything has been bad for Watson, that was reasons for his mishaps and then he’s having a career year after OB left with Kelly running the same system.
..... Have you bothered to look at the numbers?..... Watson: 69% comp.; 8.8 YPA; 24 TDs; 6 INT; 110.0 rating; 72.1 QBR Wilson: 70% comp.; 8.0 YPA; 32 TDs; 11 INT; 107.6 rating; 70.6 QBR I mean... on what planet is Wilson "significantly better"? To argue, at this point, that Watson is a "clear downgrade" really makes you look silly. And Watson is 7 years younger. If you offered Watson for Wilson right now, the Seahawks would probably ultimately turn it down - but they'd think about and I guarantee you, there'd be people in that organization that would be encouraging it.
Comparable numbers WHILE WINNING with same type of team in a much tougher division. That’s not even mentioning track record, super bowl wins, never having a losing season, health.
Got news for you, you don’t change a system or install a new system in season and definitely not in a couple weeks. It is the same system. Different play calling but same system.
And no, no team would trade Wilson for Watson right now. Y’all need to stop with this type of rhetoric, this is what makes Houston sports fans look stupid.
