If that's all people were saying, fine, the issue is people have been trashing him as a player. You even said he's been terrible for YEARS despite him being on winning teams...man has been on winning teams his entire career but apparently that's just one big coincidence.
I'm pulling a tinman. You can't call me a stan if I've been here since 07. I've been here since before Russ or Harden played in the league. I'm just arguing against this silly notion that stats are ALL that matters, because if they do, then yeah. Harden > Hakeem. If they do, why watch film of prospects? why watch them play? Just pull up the spreadsheets, most teams would never get an evaluation wrong.
if you're specifically offended by what i said, then you might just be a stan. but in your case I've seen you post better. I know you have the capability of some quality content but for the most part with a lot of these other folks, they definitely have issues with being provided all the eye tests/numbers to support only to turn the cheek because it isn't what they want to here. As for the post i replied to, it definitely applies to who he was engaged with.
Dude it's a lost cause. I've been called a LOF when I joined here like 3 years before Lin was a Rocket. This post shows how little self-awareness you have. I can just as easily say you only look at numbers that suit your narrative and ignore all the ones that don't.
and you're exactly one of the stans on this board. you pollute it with your nonsense day in and day out. you're one of the worse with a clear agenda and one of the last that should be talking. in no way do i take you serious because your posts just suck asss with all the dumbass theories and claims you make
Stan of what? "Stan" usually imply a cultist like fandom towards a player. What exactly is an agenda to you? To me it seems like an "agenda" to you is a argument that you disagree with. Do you think I'm being paid here? I'm expressing my opinion. That's my agenda. It would be more healthy if you put me on ignore. If you sincerely think I'm a troll with an agenda you would block me. But you don't which tells me you go to these insults as a mechanism when you don't have substantive things to say.
i mean you quoted me and replied. I never reply to your idiotic posts to start. You felt the need to say something so I'm saying something back. Being on ignore makes no difference to me when i don't reply to your hot takes anyway. But since you felt the need to say something, I'm telling you now
My thing with Westbrook is he's not a bad player, obviously, the awards he's won are not some odd coincidence he's lucked into. Being on a winning team for nearly every year he's played is not a coincidence, clearly with his high usage that means he's contributing something to a team. The stats might not always tell the truth then, it's impossible for a guy to make a team worse and also play on winning teams with his high usage. I mean that's fine for role players because their usage is low, you're not losing many games because Hartenstein played badly for 4 minutes in a game. Yes, a WB team takes a lot of maintenance and it would have required Harden to change his game to make it work. It basically would require Harden to be a more off ball guard because every possession you put Russ behind the line, spot up, is a possession where it is harder to score. I know this. But I'm arguing for Westbrook because the man is a first ballot HOFamer that shouldn't get this disrespect and a lot of the 'empty stats' argument people throw at him are the same argument people bash Harden with. I hope people realize that. You go to reddit, twitter, realGM, ESPN, whatever...the whole "Stats are empty, not a winner" is the exact same thing people say about Harden because in the end winning is what matters.
no. before AD went to LA, he received the same empty stats logic westbrick did. This isn't picking on westbrick. It is what it is. I said the same exact thing about AD when he was being praised as this top player in the league and was doing nothing on his own besides stat padding. That's exactly what it is. Dwight howard is going to be a HOFamer. have you been defending his honor?
Sure, I do. I'm just going to say Dwight was never good enough to take his game to that next level, that all-time level. I wouldn't act like he can't play basketball and is a garbage player that makes teams worse. Clearly that isn't the case. Dwight had the issue every aging superstar player has, which is, does their value match their asking price? But Dwight, like other players...this includes Harden too...shrunk when his team needed him. When Harden had games of his life, game 1, game 2, WCF....Dwight was outplayed by the Warriors bigs when it was his job to not do that. It is what it is, it's hard to win championships, doesn't mean Dwight wasn't a great player. Clearly he was. Just wasn't great enough. I don't clown on Dwight, in fact, my last post was defending Dwight because Shaq keeps trying to publicly bully him.
so when Dwight was here and asking for more touches in the post, you have posts that were defending him and saying that was the correct philosophy and what the rockets should have been doing right
No. That's different though? I just said that Westbrook could have played better if the team was solely catered to him. The difference between Russ and Dwight is Russ understands why it's not working out for him. He knows it's not a fit and doesn't want to be trashed for the rest of his career so obviously he wants out. He's not dumb, not sure why people think he is. Dwight on the other hand really thought he would come here and be Hakeem. That was a big draw for him...Rockets gave it a shot and we found out he really doesn't have many low post moves, tried to tell him that he needed to go back to being what he was which was an amazing garbage player, in that he cleans up boards and dominates the paint...but he didn't want that. He's now accepted that role again and now he's a plus player again. I didn't defend dwight but I didn't relentlessly call him a garbage player and act like he couldn't play basketball. It just didn't work out. I don't think Dwight is low IQ trash, I think it's rare HOF players are low-IQ, being an elite defender takes high-IQ. I think he was just an egotistical dude that thought if he had things his way the team would win more...and that's basically every superstar player that's played in the NBA outside of Curry, Duncan, and a few of the more super selfless stars.
the team wasn't catered to him? The rockets literally had to change their team for him to hel him fit and now they're not catering to him? terrible Russ is an idiot. tf are you talking about he understands its not working out for him. He wants to go back to stat padding ways and losing. you're praising that? no that's purely idiotic. hes so dumb that he only understands how to play one way. He has 0 adjustments in his game. He doesn't care what anyone else is doing. He thinks hes going to get the better of things 100% of the time and well we know it's the exact opposite. Praising him for his silly notion that he understands is pure nonsense. what a joke
No, it wasn't. If you're putting Westbrook behind the 3 point line waiting for the ball then you're putting him in positiosn where he can't succeed, with his usage, that's not good. And here it is. The hyperbole. He wants to go back to having his own team and not being forced to stand behind the 3 point line and be relied on to make threes. I don't care that he has 0 adjustments to his game, Shaq didn't have adjustments to his game either, worked out well for him. PG13 had the best year of his career playing next to Russ, no one playing with Russ had a bad word to say about him until he came here. And we are back to a HOF player apparently being a complete idiot on the court and me saying "No, that's wrong" is somehow me white knighting for him. I'm just confused how a complete idiot on the court can rack up the accomplishments he has, barely ever be on a losing team, and have the high usage he does...oh and he's also been a PG this entire time.
oh lord it wasn't. what in the world have you been watching all year. you westbrick stans are amazing. how anyone can watch all the bs the rockets did to make this dumbass try and fit and now try to say they didn't cater or adjust to him is beyond me. congrats you reached a whole new level of dumb. there's no reasoning with this kind of logic. westbrick stans/apologist are the absolute worse
I would argue this isn’t accurate. AD was putting up monster numbers efficiently. All the advanced numbers pointed to a winning player even if his team wasn’t. Westbrook was/is the opposite. Inefficient. Advanced numbers point to a much lower level contributor than the raw stats would have you believe.
