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What Trump policy direction do you not want Biden to undo?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by JuanValdez, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    It's funny how the people arguing against birthright citizenship because they want to interpret it a certain way argues that the second amendment allows them to own any gun they want without tracking or qualification even though most of the amendment is about regulated militias. I'm saying this a person who would be in favor of changing the amendment to only people that were born to parents legally in the country.
     
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    There is a lot to criticize about WHO but they do a lot of things and have been instrumental in eradicating small pox and are well on the way to wiping out polio.

    Many people don't know what WHO does or how big they are. They don't do things like building wells as they aren't an infrastructure or a development agency. Their annual budget is only around $6 billion which is smaller than some US cities. The conferences you mention are meant to allow scientists and others to share information and collaborate on addressing international medical threats. Further WHO doesn't have their own enforcement mechanism. There aren't WHO troops who can force any country to do anything. They provide advice and guidance along with being a forum to direct resources from other groups.
     
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  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The second amendment is a bigger concept to people than citizenship. That's why its SECOND

    Im not a gun person, never owned one. That being said people associate gun rights with the existence of America. No militias, no America. So all im saying to you your comparison doesn't come close to registering with them
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I wrote earlier I think borders are an outdated concept. The last 60 years have seen great advances in food production and natural resource extraction. Countries like America have an abundance of resources to share.

    The only thing we are protecting at this point is jobs and the concept of America. At some point globalization is gonna end the jobs issue and by end I mean complete a process we are very already deep in
     
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    For 6 billion dollars I'd expect a LOT more than attend conferences and share information. A LOT more.

    Again 2020 was game day and they failed miserably on every front. So...what did the 6 billion get us? ...well 400mm from the US.
     
  6. glynch

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    Get the troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Let Biden if he is stupid enough to do so, be the guy who sends them back in to please the military industrial complex. No reason to think we can undo the mess our involvement has caused. No benefit to the average American or the people who live there.
     
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  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    A huge number of them in one way or another. Yes, that's why we seek to change the definition in order to remove the incentive of foreign nationals coming here to have children so they can jump the line to come here legally. I know people that have waited 8 and 10 years to come here legally. Why should anyone else get rewarded by virtue of geography or wealth?
     
  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    I'm more sympathetic to DACA because the US is complicit in the illegal immigration issue. Having said that, I don't favor some blanket immunity for them. I'd like to see them earn their citizenship whether it's serving in the military or in some fashion that benefits the public... nurses, doctors, teachers, etc. Having said that, programs like DACA cannot be precedents for the future..

    Ideally, you remove the incentive to come here illegally by changing birthright citizenship and enforcing legal status for employment. Then we can move on to migrant worker visas and other mechanisms to allow foreign labor.

    This is something that frustrates me about the Democratic Party. Their position seems to be no rules, no laws, just do whatever you want. It's terrible.
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    Trump's dismantling the kangaroo courts on college campuses and giving more legal rights to the accused regarding Title IX was definitely a step in the right direction.

    Unfortunately it took a poison pill as horrid as Betsy Devos to make that happen.
     
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  10. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    12 million illegals is pretty meaty.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    On immigration, this is one we've been wrestling with long before Trump. We still need to resolve it. We can't have a system that encourages 12 million people to come here to work and at the same time makes their presence illegal. It's stupid and unjust. Lock them out or let them in, but this hybrid can't continue.

    But Trump's policy approach was not defined by trying to address birthright citizenship. He did try to assail the common-sense meaning of the amendment for a little while. But, his policy legacy on immigration really is just the heartless attack on legal and illegal hispanic immigrants. Orphaning children as a deterrent, denying succor to real refugees, gumming up the immigration apparatus to reduce legal entry, and a lot of money, effort, and brutality spent on the mere appearance of law and order. Even with all levers of government, they never even tried to create new legislation that would genuinely address the contradictions in our immigration policy. They just doubled-down on persecuting people. So while I think immigration is still something we need to address, and it may mean a stricter regimen, I see absolutely nothing in how Trump approached it that should be preserved by Biden's admin. Nothing at all.

    TPP would have done part of the work. And I don't think we should have abandoned it. I think Trump has addressed the issue of tech piracy and China's growing tech colonialism in a way that Obama's path was not really addressing.

    I get that. This was intended as a thread about Biden. But, maybe it's too soon for some.

    Agreed. Trump was counting on the vaccine to save him and us from doing any of the hard work of combatting the virus, and I fear that we still place too much of our trust in a magic shot making it all go away. But, it's better to have a vaccine than not and Biden should definitely leverage the good work we've done on getting it.

    To expand on this a bit, Trump has done a good job of not getting us involved in wars. I hope Biden can also avoid getting into wars. But Trump had also taken the principle perhaps too far, essentially betraying allies to their deaths. I agree I want to get out of these theatres we never should have entered. But not as Trump would have done it - unilaterally with no care for anyone else.
     
  12. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    scorched earth.
     
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    As far as I know there is no blanket immunity for daca recipients.
     
  14. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Amnesty rather. Reagan gave 3 million illegals amnesty and I fear Biden might be pressured to give amnesty to 12 million more.
     
  15. Andre0087

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    I would keep his stance on China as policy but on illegal immigration you have to go after the employers that hire them...do that and I think you'll see a substantial decrease if illegal immigrants know they won't get a job here.
     
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  16. HayesStreet

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    Yeah this whole debate is stupid. I'll take people climbing over walls to be part of this country any day of the week.
     
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  17. HayesStreet

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    Nobody ever wants to do this cause the racist sentiment that blames immigrants for our problems flows from the same people that think business is God.
     
  18. HayesStreet

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    What do you will happen if he does give amnesty? Will the country fall apart? Be serious ffs.
     
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  20. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The same thing that's already happened, another 15 million illegals will show up because they know we don't care if they break the law.
     

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