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Asia forms world's biggest trade bloc, a China-backed group excluding U.S.

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    TPP wut? Single treaties da best treaties! Look pah...we dun roped in Japan and Canada and Mexico for BIG SUCCESS +infinity!!!

    They'd rather deal with China than bait-n-switch bipolar mouthbreathers.

    I imagine Navarro types will claim victory as they don't understand anything outside their rat infested back waters.

    www.cnbc.com /2020/11/15/asia-forms-worlds-biggest-trade-bloc-excluding-us.html

    Fifteen Asia-Pacific economies formed the world’s largest free trade bloc on Sunday, a China-backed deal that excludes the United States, which had left a rival Asia-Pacific grouping under President Donald Trump.

    The signing of the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) at a regional summit in Hanoi, is a further blow to the group pushed by former U.S. president Barack Obama, which his successor Trump exited in 2017.

    Amid questions over Washington’s engagement in Asia, RCEP may cement China’s position more firmly as an economic partner with Southeast Asia, Japan and Korea, putting the world’s second-biggest economy in a better position to shape the region’s trade rules.

    The United States is absent from both RCEP and the successor to the Obama-led Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), leaving the world’s biggest economy out of two trade groups that span the fastest-growing region on earth.


    By contrast, RCEP could help Beijing cut its dependence on overseas markets and technology, a shift accelerated by a deepening rift with Washington, said Iris Pang, ING chief economist for Greater China.

    RCEP groups the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), China, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand. It aims in coming years to progressively lower tariffs across many areas.

    The deal was signed on the sidelines of an online ASEAN summit held as Asian leaders address tensions in the South China Sea and tackle plans for a post-pandemic economic recovery in a region where U.S.-China rivalry has been rising.

    In an unusual ceremony, held virtually because of the coronavirus pandemic, leaders of RCEP countries took turns standing behind their trade ministers who, one by one, signed copies of the agreement, which they then showed triumphantly to the cameras.

    “RCEP will soon be ratified by signatory countries and take effect, contributing to the post-COVID pandemic economic recovery,” said Nguyen Xuan Phuc, prime minister of Vietnam, which hosted the ceremony as ASEAN chair.

    RCEP will account for 30% of the global economy, 30% of the global population and reach 2.2 billion consumers, Vietnam said.

    ‘Historical breakthrough’
    China’s finance ministry said the new bloc’s promises include eliminating some tariffs within the group, including some immediately and others over 10 years.

    There were no details on which products and which countries would see immediate reduction in tariffs.

    “For the first time, China and Japan reached a bilateral tariff reduction arrangement, achieving a historic breakthrough,” the ministry said in a statement, without giving further details.

    The deal marks the first time rival East Asian powers China, Japan and South Korea have been in a single free trade agreement.

    Despite being outside RCEP and having been in the administration that propelled the TPP, President-elect Joe Biden - Obama’s vice president - is unlikely to rejoin the TPP anytime soon, analysts said, as his government will have to prioritize handling the COVID-19 outbreak at home.

    “I’m not sure that there will be much focus on trade generally, including efforts to rejoin” the TPP successor grouping, “for the first year or so because there will be such a focus on COVID relief,” Charles Freeman, senior vice president for Asia at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce said this month.

    RCEP “will help reduce or remove tariffs on industrial and agricultural products and set out rules for data transmission,” said Luong Hoang Thai, head of the Multilateral Trade Policy Department at Vietnam’s Ministry of Industry and Trade.

    The pact will take effect once enough participating countries ratify the agreement domestically within the next two years, Indonesia’s trade minister said last week.

    For China, the new group, including many U.S. allies, is a windfall largely resulting from Trump’s retreat from the TPP, said ING’s Pang.

    India pulled out of RCEP talks in November last year, but ASEAN leaders said the door remained open for it to join.​
     
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    So much for isolating and containing the PRC.
     
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    Do you know me?
    I'm T P P
     
  4. Amiga

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    How’s that tariff working?
     
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  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Well done, Trump. #winning
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The irony here is that TPP originally was all of Asia except China - meant to isolate China and give US businesses an advantage.

    Now China makes a trade pact that excludes the USA.
     
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    We can only thank the dummy and his idiots for this.

    Americans will (quite literally) pay dearly for the blunders by this administration
     
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    Trump and the right have done incalculable levels of damage to US interests.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    And yet they have no idea
     
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    They don’t want to catch the trump virus
     
  12. calurker

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    So when will this become a “historical document” like the Sino-British Joint Declaration?

    China only abide by contracts when it’s convenient for them. The mentality is no different from Trump only abiding by election results when he wins.

    A fair and equitable free trade treaty for the US would include robust environmental and labor protections to level the playing field, otherwise US workers always lose.
     
  13. Senator

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    good riddance,
    the sweatshop of the world will still be the sweatshop of the world in 20 years. Americans may vacation less and consume less but they'll still be driving the innovation and thought process ahead of the copycaters.
     
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    "trade wars are easy to win"
     
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    Even if the US was included, I envision it more Asian centric as put in the name.

    How much pull does the US have on Australia and New Zealand? Former Brit conglomerates. They're in.
     
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    ChiCom bastards....no thank you. Everything that they touched have turned into shiet. The other Asian countries that joined them will soon regret this move.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Australia and New Zealand economies are very dependent on export. Particularly in natural resources in agricultural goods. In Asia they are a direct competitor to the US and rely on very much on Asia markets. Tariffs on US agricultural products are a big opportunity for them.
     
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    The only thing China made that lasted more than a year was COVID19.
     
  19. vlaurelio

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    thanks to all you losers
     
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  20. Amiga

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    Everyone was against the TPP in 2016. Ok, not everyone but politically it was everyone that was trying to win elections.

    Americans are short sighted. They recognize that China is the main economic foe and yet they take actions to strengthen China and weaken themselves.
     
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