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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. rimrocker

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    Fear-mongering was not the point of that post.
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    Sorry to say lots of mongering in that post.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    If you read anything I posted, you'd know why this is an incompetent response unless your grandmother happens to be under 60. Making an appeal to emotion, completely unrelated to what was being discussed, is fairly dishonest.

    Your ridiculousness aside, I do wish her well and hope you get to see her again. None of that changes the facts when it comes to the effects of COVID-19 on those under 60.
     
  4. peleincubus

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    I have a good idea that if it were another Republican that had won in 2016 or Clinton. Also if there were fewer people like you in the United States fewer people would have died and will die and many more businesses would have survived.

    But no, we have a president that conducted himself about as incompetently as one could imagine on every level. Which in turn had many of his supporters sit around posting crap FB, Twitter, and message boards like this.

    You'll never understand this. All you're capable of is arguing, incapable of conflating Trump's dumb a** and the trickle-down effect it had in exacerbating covid to the extreme. So whether your ilk wants to "debate" masks, or this is just like the flu, or you could die driving down the highway etc etc etc
    it made people either show their resistance to the liberals and/or stupid science and DR's by being careless. it caused more deaths by the 1000's; people will lose their businesses and jobs because it was worse than it had to be.

    Education: Just as in 2016, we saw a pronounced education gap in vote choice. While college graduates voted for Biden over Trump by 13 points (55% vs. 42%) The bolded is not an accident.

    Save me the response. Instead, why don't you go down to El Paso and volunteer to help fill some of their trucks with dead covid patients. I bet none of them caught it from anyone under the age of 60 either.
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    If I wanted to hear ignorant political screeching, I'd be in the D&D.

    There's nothing even remotely political about anything I've said, so keep the political BS where it belongs.
     
  6. Deckard

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    Well ****. That's me in 2020, except I look more like the old man. No glasses, less hair, better looking (I hope) and I speak English. Only know about a dozen words in German. If I were religious, I'd say God help us all. What are the odds of doing what Germany did with that fellow looking back in the rearview mirror? Near zero, absent a miracle. Good commercial, though.
     
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  7. rimrocker

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    I was responding to a guy who claimed it is no big deal because he had it and it was no big deal. That's stupid and the analogy I used made the point.
     
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  8. CCorn

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    That was obviously @B-Bob
     
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  9. robbie380

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    The state of Texas data the hospital shows Covid hospitalizations in the DFW trauma area at 12.3% of total hospital capacity which is slightly lower than where they topped out in July. Covid represents 14.8% of total hospitalizations in the DFW area. For reference El Paso is at 40.6% and 54.2% respectively which is on par with the levels that south Texas topped out at. South Texas Covid hospitalizations have stayed low during this recent Texas spike.

    It does seem like from the data that there is a trend of hospitalizing people quicker. Since Oct 1 Covid ICU patients in Texas are up 84%, but Covid hospitalizations are up 145%. For the DFW trauma area Covid ICU patients are up 99%, but Covid hospitalizations are up 177%.

    I was up in Dallas during Texas OU weekend and it was basically like normal up there. People didn't care at all when we were over in Deep Ellum.


    https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/additionaldata.aspx
    https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/CombinedHospitalDataoverTimebyTSA.xlsx excel file there for people who want to look
     
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  10. rocketsjudoka

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    In MN we're at 97% ICU capacity. Yesterday 56 people died from COVID-19, a new single day record. What is more alarming is that yesterday in SD 53 people died. SD has 1/6 the population of MN.
     
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  11. robbie380

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    Some things to note from the 11/12 weekly report in Minnesota
    https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/covidweekly46.pdf
    • 71.5% of deaths (1,998 deaths) are from congregate care settings aka long term care
    • Those congregate care deaths resulted from 8.2% of the total cases in Minnesota
    • The median age of death is 83
    • Healthcare worker deaths have been extremely low with a 0.08% IFR. Only 0.88% of HCWs needed ICU treatment and 4.7% needed hospitalization
    [​IMG]

    I didn't see as detailed numbers for SD, but I'll look more later.
     
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  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Unavoidable contact (at the time, new procedures have eliminated the problem) with long term care facilities is how i ended up contracting COVID-19 back in April. Those facilities get hit especially hard due to having a large population of elderly, usually unhealthy, patients.

    COVID-19 is brutal among those older than the average lifespan in the country. My facilities have lost hundreds of patients since this all began.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    None of that changes the infections are exploding, ICUs are getting stressed and that death rates are rising while congregate care was the a big problem earlier on right now we’re seeing the biggest group of new infections is from younger people. While yes COVID-19 is far deadlier for elderly it is still infecting and being transmitted by people of all ages. Further elderly are still people and people in their 60s and older are still important members of society.

    while health care worker deaths in MN are thankfully low that ignores the increased stress on them and the health care system. I’ve heard way too many stories from healthcare workers about what they are going through.

    It’s also exploding in rural areas where as earlier it was urban areas. This is SD right now per capita as the most number of hospitalizations. This is for a state that already has limited ability to respond to a health crisis.
     
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  14. robbie380

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    Let's hope it's not closer to 50% and maybe somewhere in the middle at 70%. Still a lot more data to come from the Pfizer vaccine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54949799

    Covid-19: Normal life back next winter, says vaccine creator

    The impact of a new Covid vaccine will kick in significantly over summer and life should be back to normal by next winter, one of its creators has said. Prof Ugur Sahin, BioNTech co-founder, also raised hopes the jab could halve transmission of the virus, resulting in a "dramatic reduction in cases".

    Last week, BioNTech and co-developers Pfizer said preliminary analysis showed their vaccine could prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19. About 43,000 people took part in tests. In an interview on BBC One's Andrew Marr Show, Prof Sahin said he expected further analysis to show the vaccine would reduce transmission between people as well as stop symptoms developing in someone who has had the vaccine.

    "I'm very confident that transmission between people will be reduced by such a highly effective vaccine - maybe not 90% but maybe 50% - but we should not forget that even that could result in a dramatic reduction of the pandemic spread," he said.

    The UK is expected to get 10 million doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine by the end of the year, with a further 30 million doses already ordered. The jab, which was trialled in six countries, is given in two doses, three weeks apart. Older residents and staff in care homes are likely to be prioritised, followed by health workers and the over-80s. People would then be ranked by age.

    The UK government announced another 24,962 confirmed Covid cases on Sunday, as well as a further 168 deaths within 28 days of a positive test.


    After the announcement of the world's first effective vaccine came on Monday, Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University, suggested life could be back to normal by spring. "I am probably the first guy to say that, but I will say that with some confidence," he said.

    However, Prof Sahin said it would take longer. If everything continued to go well, he said, the vaccine would begin to be delivered at the "end of this year, beginning of next year".

    He said the goal was to deliver more than 300 million doses worldwide by next April, which "could allow us to only start to make an impact".

    He said the bigger impact would happen later, adding: "Summer will help us because the infection rate will go down in the summer and what is absolutely essential is that we get a high vaccination rate until or before autumn/winter next year." Prof Sahin said it was essential that all immunisation programmes were completed before next autumn.

    The vaccine has given a boost of confidence that an end to the pandemic is close, with the leading scientist behind it hopeful life could return to normal by next winter. But there are some big uncertainties. The vaccine needs approval from regulators - and they will only grant that if they're happy the jab is safe and works well. Early results look very good, but we await the full ones in the coming weeks.

    There is also no data yet to show how well the jab works in those who need it the most - the elderly. Nor do we know if it stops people spreading the disease, as well as getting sick. And it's not clear how long immunity might last. People might need yearly boosters. If the vaccine is rolled out, it will take time to immunise and protect enough people.

    Other Covid-19 vaccines may come along that work just as well or even better than this new vaccine. But it is possible that by the summer, mass immunisation will be well under way and we could start to reap the benefits.

    Asked if the vaccine was as effective in older people as it is in younger people, he said he expected to have a better idea in the next three weeks. He said it was not yet known how long immunity would last after the second dose of the vaccine is given. However, he said, a booster immunisation "should not be too complicated" if it was found immunity was reduced significantly after one year.

    Prof Sahin also said the "key side effects" of the vaccine seen so far were a mild to moderate pain in the injection site for a few days, while some participants had a mild to moderate fever over a similar period. "We did not see any other serious side effects which would result in pausing or halting of the study," he added.

    His vaccine is one of 11 currently in the final stages of testing.

    It will not be released for use in the UK until it passes final safety tests and gets the go-ahead from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). The agency's head has said it would not lower its safety standards despite the need to get a vaccine quickly.

    If it was approved, the NHS would be ready to roll out the vaccine from December, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has urged people not to slacken their resolve in the meantime, saying the vaccine's development "cleared one significant hurdle but there are several more to go".

    Meanwhile, concerns have been raised that mutated forms of the virus might hamper the effectiveness of future vaccines. It comes after 12 people were found with a mink-related strain of the virus following an outbreak in Denmark. Virology professor Wendy Barclay, a scientific adviser for the government, said there was a "worry" that the vaccines currently under development "won't work quite so well as the virus continues to evolve".

    This did not mean vaccines would not work at all, she added, but adaptable and fast-responding jabs could be the best option.
     
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  15. ROXRAN

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    I am sorry people have died. Breaks my heart to see a young couple in their early 30s from San Antonio have perished leaving a kid without parents. Regardless of valuing a Republican ideology or a Democrat ideology, the first responsibility of a government is to protect people. If government started from there regardless of platform then there would be less problems
     
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    I am just sharing data. Feel free to explore it there.

    https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#updates

    South Dakota doesn't have as nice of a layout as Minnesota.. It doesn't seem that hospital capacity is an issue at this point there. Regionally there are some issues in the Black Hills area where they are down to only 8.3% of the ICU available, but that seems to be due to non-Covid occupied ICU beds being at a very high percentage relative to the other areas of the state.

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    Median age of death isn't listed but 56% of the deaths are over 80 which likely puts the median age of death somewhere close to Minnesota around that 83 year old range.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    That's typically the arguement people make when they are asking for authoritarian tyranny out of fear.

    To me, COVID-19 isn't political and I think people should distrust those who seek to make it political.
     
  19. Dr of Dunk

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    This is problem with city vs county vs suburb data. They're all reporting something varied. For example, if you listen to the doctor I posted, on a city/suburb level of a large suburb, they're starting to divert traffic to a major city because they're starting to get stretched. If you look at the county level statistics of a county like Denton county, they're at 84% ICU capacity. Then you read articles like this from June and you see that every hospital reports differently or in some cases, apparently, don't report the data. You also have articles like this one from last week saying Dallas County is seeing a surge and has 52 ICU beds available, but they're starting to take on patients from El Paso (?!) because, of course, El Paso's system is stressed. So as the hospitalizations increase across the state, the major centers are also taking on surges from smaller communities.

    Also, "trauma" is what? To me trauma and ICU are different. Maybe in this regard, and in what we're discussing, there's no difference, I'm not sure.

    Many of the nurses and doctors I see reports from in the area where I live are saying they're being overworked/overtaxed. I already know in at least a few schools around here teachers have either quit or called in sick to where they're hoping subs don't start doing the same. One teacher I know personally has stated that they have obviously sick students being sent in by parents or that they have to double up on classes when teachers call in sick. One student came in saying she was sick but was going to try to stick it out. Wth. lol. She's debated several times to just quit because her own school doesn't keep them informed much of what's going on in the school -- they just keep watch on the ISD's COVID count.

    It's like two worlds. The Deep Ellum world you're talking about just wanting a "normal life" helping to increase the hospital/school/etc. stress. I did a curbside pickup of some stuff from Home Depot where I saw how packed the Home Depot was from the parking lot. I'm happy that the mortality rate is not as horrific as it could be or this thing hasn't yet mutated into something worse because I doubt the country has the discipline to contain this. It just seems like there's a group that's getting beat up behind the scenes to make everything look OK on the other side of the lawn, if that makes any sense.

    I hope the vaccine is successful and enough people actually get it to make a difference, and pray this thing doesn't mutate into something worse in the meantime. I also hope for this post-holidays spike to be less serious than many are expecting. I'd like to return to taking road trips for no reason again. :D
     
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  20. AleksandarN

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    Lmao nice cherry picking your stats there bud.
     

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