So money determines turnout, and turnout decides elections. And how does money influence turnout? By affecting the information voters receive. So, information, and hence misinformation, matters. There is a change, as the article I linked to points out. You are arbitrarily choosing to look at voting for white people as a category. Why is this more relevant than looking at white working-class, where there is a clearly observed trend?
Durvsea Democrats publicly talked about Russia in 2016 because they didn't want to blame blacks for not not turning out. Sadly to keep Russian stupid story relevant, the story becomes Russia decreased turnout because digging into numbers, no one changed their vote. We know Russia still spreads disinformation. However there is a virus, dont know if you're aware, but it concerned people enough to care about this election. Also don't know if you're aware but there were some police shootings that concerned blacks that also drove interest in this year's election
Common sense tells me a 1984 blowout wouldn't have the same % of white voters as a 1988 non-blowout, so a 10 second google search told me that 66% of white voters voted GOP in 1984: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election In 1988, it was 60%. In 1992, it was 40%. In 1996, it was 46%. In 2000, it was 55%. In 2004, it was 58%. In 2008, it was 55%. Notice how none of these numbers are the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election
trump weakened us significantly. He has caused instability in our political system that we will be dealing with for a lot longer than next year. trump destabilized our system of alliances and caused both the members of those alliances and our close friends to lose a great deal of trust in whether we will back them if the rubber meets the road. That has led some of them to turn their gaze elsewhere in search of political and military backing they can depend on. Putin played a key role, in my opinion, in promoting trump’s incredibly destructive behavior. Other than that, not much.
I'm asking you to explain how you concluded that disinformation didn't affect the 2016 election results. You pointing out that there are other factors - black voter turnout or a pandemic -- is not a sensible argument that disinformation in 2016 therefore didn't have any effect.
I got my numbers from an article i cant find anymore. I acknowledge being wrong about Reagan in 84 but the last four elections the number hasn't change much im pretty sure its 57% this year
Did russia just start trying to interfere? They didnt try in 2012? Edit: turnout was low in 2016. How is that not an explanation?
A 2% change in the white vote would flip the results of each of the last 2 elections. Beyond that, white vote % is not the only measure of foreign influence. Minority voting patterns and voter turnout amongst minority groups is a huge influence too. If the %s are the same but white voters get amped up by foreign organizations amping up the threat of minorities and immigrants, that changes the results of an election. Beyond that, white voters flipping to the GOP in the midwest while flipping to the Dems in the west would also change results in an election. One place has more educated white voters and the other has more noneducated. So pushing gullible voters to the GOP while turning less gullible voters away would also swing an election. By most accounts, these are the types of things Russia attempted in 2016 with their disinformation campaigns to swing gullible idiots.
But your 2% is in the wrong direction. After all the 2016 talk people are more likely to be influenced by Russia?
No - I have no doubt Russia definitely had a bigger impact in 2016. All the attention to it helped counter that in 2020.
Multiple factors influence an election. As I've already said, pointing to one factor is not an argument that another factor had no effect. You have concluded that Russian influence on social media platforms had a negligible effect on the 2016 election result. To arrive at that conclusion, you have to show that (a) the information propagated on social media within Republican circles was negligible or (b) it has negligible influence on people in those circles deciding to vote Republican. I'd say both (a) and (b) are highly doubtful. How we communicate information to one another absolutely has an effect on whether we decide to vote and how we vote.
So why did it Actually its 54% in 2016 so the last two elections compared to 00 04 and 08 dont support the argument that Russia influenced whites to vote Republican in 16
Whites actually voted 57% Republican this year and 54% in 2016 so how did russia make them vote in Republican 16? You telling me to disprove something you haven't proved Where is your proof? tia
Are you discounting the effect of four years of Trump as the new leader of the Republican party and freely spreading misinformation on this Twitter account, as conservative media outlets rally to defend him at every turn? That Trump has become more popular among his core base is not a surprise. I never suggested that his popularity is directly proportional to Russian interference on social media.
This is exactly what I'm asking you. How did you arrive at your conclusion that Russian interference did not effect the result in 2016? The numbers you quoted don't justify that conclusion.
Because it was turnout that decided 2016 particularly low black turnout after 8 years of Obama euphoria
Yes, but as I have tried to point out one can point to multiple things that "decided" the 2016 results. You are just choosing to focus on one of them and ignore the other one. That doesn't mean the other one had no effect.
