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Election Day 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Master Baiter, Nov 3, 2020.

  1. mdrowe00

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    ...maybe because a good percentage of them are descendants of immigrants from sh!thole countries...;)
     
  2. Dubious

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    It's because he called them suckers and fired their most respected Officers. 3 Generals and the Admiral for the Ben laden mission made a damn commercial condemning Trump as dangerous. No generals come out in support. Done deal.
     
  3. tmoney1101

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    these guys are nuts and on some good sh*it

     
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    He is just trolling.

    I don't know why anyone is responding to him.
     
  8. RayRay10

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    Aw...Trump got his feelings hurt

     
  9. Dubious

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    Like we are saying in other threads, he is defending his ego by maintaining the delusion, seeking self validation in martyrdom

    And we exercise our self-righteousness in our ridicule

    but it is fun
     
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  11. Invisible Fan

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    Logic doesn't apply to Republicans when it comes to winning. They aim for emotions and mob sentiment, and that isn't something Dems should leave on the table if their cause really matters to them..

    https://theintercept.com/2018/11/10...t-the-presidency-with-a-preemptive-surrender/
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    The Florida Division of Elections announced the next day that Bush had won the state by 1,784 votes. However, this margin was so small that Florida law required a machine recount of the state, which reduced Bush’s lead to 327.

    The presidential choice on about 170,000 ballots could not be read by machine. Of these, 60,000 were “undervotes” — for instance, the voter had not fully punched through the ballot’s relevant perforated box. The remaining 110,000 were “overvotes,” in which the voter may have voted normally for Bush or Gore but also wrote in their name.

    The Gore campaign requested a recount by hand in four heavily Democratic counties. The Bush campaign sued to stop this. The Gore campaign’s efforts then disappeared for the next month into a mind-numbingly complex legal process, overflowing with ballot-design and deadline minutiae that no normal American could follow.

    Meanwhile, the Republican Party conducted a nationwide PR campaign with a message Americans could follow: that Gore was a pathetic sore loser who simply would not accept that he’d been defeated. Much of the national media eagerly adopted this frame.

    On December 8, the Florida Supreme Court rejected Gore’s request for a hand recount in four counties. Instead, it ordered a statewide hand recount of undervotes, with the decisions being made according to the “intent of the voter.”

    The U.S. Supreme Court then halted this recount on December 12, declaring that since different Florida counties used different voting methods, the voter intent standard violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.

    Gore could theoretically have asked the Florida Supreme Court to order a statewide recount with more explicit standards. But he took the advice of one of his lawyers, who told him that this would “cause a tremendous uproar.” And in any case, as the book “Deadlock” later put it, “the best Gore could hope for was a slate of disputed electors” — i.e., he might become president, but Republicans would complain about it.

    Thus, Gore conceded to Bush again, in a speech full of high-minded rhetoric about “the law” and how his surrender could “point us all to a new common ground.” Bush officially won Florida by 537 votes and the Electoral College by 271-266 and went on to become one of the most catastrophic presidents in U.S. history.

    A year later, in November 2001, the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago announced the results of an examination of all 170,000 undervotes and overvotes.

    NORC found that with a full statewide hand recount, Gore would have won Florida under every possible vote standard. Depending on which standard was used, his margin of victory would have varied from 60 to 171 votes.

    The recount was paid for by a consortium of news outlets — CNN, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the Associated Press, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Palm Beach Post. But this was just two months after the September 11 terrorist attacks. The outlets patriotically buried the blockbuster news that George W. Bush was not the legitimate president of the United States.

    For instance, the headline of the New York Times article on the recount was “Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote.” This was technically true — since Gore’s legal team had not demanded a full recount of the state — but it was shamelessly misleading. But even Gore himself had no interest in making an issue about what had really happened. Asked for comment by the Washington Post, Gore would say only that “the presidential election of 2000 is over.”

    In McAlevey’s book, she recounts that in her first days in West Palm Beach, she worked on collecting affidavits from Floridians, mostly retirees who believed their votes had not been correctly tallied. There were huge numbers of them, and they were furious. McAlevey asked her superiors, “So when can we actually mobilize them, put these wonderful, angry senior citizens into the streets and on camera?”

    The answer came back: never. She then learned that Jesse Jackson was coming to Florida to lead a rally, but organized labor would not be participating. Why? Because the Gore campaign wanted everyone to stand down. McAlevey quotes a higher-up telling her, “The Gore campaign has made the decision that this is not the image they want. They don’t want to protest. They don’t want to rock the boat. They don’t want to seem like they don’t have faith in the legal system.”

    This was Gore’s central mistake. “You cannot trust ‘the legal process,’” McAlevey explains today. In reality, there is no such thing as a fair legal process separate from and immune to outside political pressure.

    The Republicans understood this in 2000, but Democrats did not. Instead, terrified of being portrayed as acting as a mob, the Democrats ceded people power to the GOP — who actually were a mob. “The original use of a mob in recent history was the Brooks Brothers riot,” says McAlevey, who was present when paid Republican staffers famously halted a recount in Miami-Dade. “They were literally throwing chairs and tables.”

    Already the GOP is gearing up for the same kind of direct physical intimidation of vote counts in support of their legal strategy. Staffers at the Broward County election headquarters have requested police protection from Republican activists who’ve shown up at their offices addled by Trumpian conspiracy theories about vote fraud.
     
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  12. NewRoxFan

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    Only the best...

     
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    None of that combats what I posted but if you want to continue that battle go right ahead but you are sounding like a Trumper.
     
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    I can "sound like a Trumper" on many things.

    Election integrity is important, and having a decent court system facilitates that.

    Trump is fully warranted to challenge results. It's not gonna amount to anywhere unless they manage to throw out votes, but it's still his right.

    Gore didn't pursue that right after SCOTUS made their left field ruling in the guise of avoiding a Constitutional Crisis.

    Trumpers following that logic tacitly admits Gore would've won, which they won't openly admit.

    That follows my point that their logic is to win at all costs.

    Your name calling suggests Election Integrity is an issue to cherry pick when it benefits you. Well Stacey Abrams just validated her claims how Kemp stole the governorship from her two years ago. If only Stacey was empowered to get a successful challenge over Kemp's conflict of interests and the nation was paying full attention to how greasy his "undercounts" were.
     
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  16. Dubious

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    Just because you can does not mean you should

    There is so much to do on transition, it really hurts America to delay that. But we know Trump it's all about him all the time
     
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  17. LosPollosHermanos

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    But...the evidence...!!! THe courts are in on it too @tmacfor35
     
  18. Reeko

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    the latest conspiracy is that there are 132k illegal ballots in GA that will flip it back to red...



    this is so embarrassing
     
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  19. leroy

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    Good f***ing lord. I feel so much dumber for having watched that for even a few seconds. Is that guy a real human being or a first gen AI bot that just learned how to laugh?

    Even if this were true (it's not) and Georgia flipped to trumpybear (it's not), he still lost.
     
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  20. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Sweet, going to hear about this at work for the next week or so. Sigh.
     

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