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Dem leaders warn liberal rhetoric could blow Georgia races

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  1. jiggyfly

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    Yep.
     
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    She did NOT compromise at all...

    $400 from $600 unemployment boost
    $1200 for illegal immigrants
    Expansion of tax credits for the poor
    State and local government assistance
    Testing and tracing for COVID-19

    With unemployment dropping, Trump wanting a deal, and the election at stake she pretty much said screw the American people and I won't forget it. All she had to do was pass the bill and if we won the Senate you can pass additional stimulus bills. Like I said, she lost all leverage now that Trump won't be pushing the Senate GOP to do anything.
     
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    She did compromise and the fact you claim she did not shows you are just wanting to find a reason to denigrate Pelosi.

    She compromised to 2.2 million down from the bill that got passed by the house.

    Now you want to tell us what kind of leverage she had?
     
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    Higher unemployment, Trump pushing the Senate GOP, and the election. The problem solvers' caucus put out an excellent bipartisan stimulus package but Pelosi wouldn't give it the time of day. ALL of that leverage is GONE...

    Time for some new blood my friend...
     
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    You still never explained how she had leverage.

    She got a bill passed and the Senate would not give it the time of day, so no leverage.

    Anyway I see you just want to **** on Pelosi so I'ma let you finish.
     
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    I've explained it twice, that's it. I can translate it into Shakespearean if you like but she screwed the people, period.

    High'r unemployment, trump pushing the senate gop, and the election. The problem solv'rs' caucus putteth out an excellent bipartisan stimulus package but pelosi wouldn't giveth t the timeth of day. All of yond lev'rage is gone
     
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    I am amazed that opioid message has not been used more, everyone responsible in Congress should be called out and the message would resonate.
     
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    Ok maybe you just don't understand the meaning of leverage or what it looks like in congress.
     
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    I had criticized Pelosi before on not coming down more to make sure a stimulus Bill got passed before the election but once MCConnell said he wasn’t going to deal with it and adjourned the Senate after the Barrett confirmation she couldn’t do anything.

    Trump gave so many mixed messages on the stimulus that he didn’t have a consistent message to the Republicans.
     
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    www.theguardian.com /us-news/2020/nov/08/stacey-abrams-helps-raise-millions-georgia-senate-runoffs
    Stacey Abrams helps raise $3.6m in two days for crucial Georgia Senate runoffs

    Stacey Abrams, the Democratic former candidate for Georgia governor who is credited with motivating voters against Donald Trump in the traditionally red state, has helped raise more than $3.6m in only two days for two crucial US Senate runoffs to be contested in January.

    A spokesperson for Fair Fight Action, part of Abrams’ voter education and advocacy efforts, announced the achievement on Sunday.

    While the closely-watched presidential election in Georgia has yet to be decided, with President-elect Joe Biden holding a slim lead over Donald Trump and the race heading to a recount, the 5 January Senate runoffs involving Democratic candidates Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock are drawing further attention – and massive political resources.

    If Republican incumbents David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler are beaten, the Senate would be balanced 50-50, making Kamala Harris, as vice-president, the tie-breaking vote and thereby ending Republican control of the chamber.

    Democrats were disappointed not to take the Senate outright this year but Ossoff and Warnock performed well enough to force run-offs in Georgia.

    “This is going to be the determining factor of whether we have access to healthcare and access to justice in the United States,” Abrams, a former Georgia House minority leader, said on Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union.

    “Those are two issues that will make certain people turn out. We know this is going to be a hard fight, it’s going to be a competitive fight [and Ossoff and Warnock] are two men who are going to make certain that Joe Biden has the leadership, the support and the congressional mandate that he needs to move this country forward.”

    Abrams believes it is an “anachronistic notion” that her party cannot win in a state that has two Republican senators, a Republican governor in Brian Kemp, and a Republican-controlled legislature. The most recent Democratic senator for Georgia was former governor Zell Miller, who retired in 2005.

    “We’re so proud of the work the Biden campaign did in Georgia but we’re incredibly excited about the work that’s been done on the ground for the last decade to bring us to this point, and we’re so excited to be going blue,” Abrams said.

    The support of Georgia’s black voters has been key to Biden’s strength there, but Abrams said it would take a diverse coalition to seat two Democrats in the Senate.

    “We began early on saying that this is not about black and white, this is about pulling together a coalition of people of colour, of the poor, of the disadvantaged, of the marginalised, and being consistent with our engagement, not waiting for an election to meet them, and certainly not waiting till the end of an election to acknowledge their value,” Abrams said.

    “We’ve been doing this work from the very beginning, but I also want to acknowledge the very strong work of progressive whites, who’ve been working to help build these opportunities as well.

    “We are not a majority minority country yet. And that means that this is a coalition that has to be built and sustained across racial lines, across demography, across geography, because our mission should be the protection of our democracy, and the action of progress for all.”

    Abrams’ own run at the Georgia governor’s mansion was unsuccessful, her defeat by fewer than 55,000 votes in the 2018 election to Kemp following an acrimonious contest marred by controversy.

    'Trump relies on voter suppression': Stacey Abrams on her fight for voting rights – video
    Kemp, then Georgia’s secretary of state, retained his position through the race, effectively overseeing his own election and declaring himself the winner. Additionally, an investigation found Kemp had improperly purged 340,000 voters from the rolls.

    Abrams, who never officially conceded, and who was considered by Biden as a potential running mate, embarked on a huge voter engagement effort, determined 2020 would bring a turnaround in Democratic fortunes in Georgia.

    “There have been dozens of organisations and hundreds of people who’ve made this their primary mission,” Abrams said.

    “I’ve been privileged to be able to bring to bear resources both before the election of 2018 and the $40m we were able to spend in 2018 to build a Democratic infrastructure that may not have yielded a victory for me but certainly yielded a victory this week.

    “The people who did that work will be hard at work to ensure that we continue our streak and that we deliver two US Senate seats to join Joe Biden in January.”
     
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    This had nothing to do with Pelosi. McConnell was gambling that the Democrats would win the Senate so he'd leave the Democrats to pass a stimulus on a party line vote which would allow McConnell to campaign against it (as he did in 2010). McConnell was going for a full repeat of the 2010 playbook. All of the Republican offers on a stimulus bill were intentionally lowballed in order to fail. There was no intention to ever pass a bill because McConnell didn't want any Republicans to vote for it. McConnell is a terrible person but he knows how to create narratives. And this was all tee'd up for Republicans to go back to complaining about deficits again. He was ready to let the Democrats run up some deficits for two years to save the economy and then he can turn around and criticize them for it. It worked spectacularly well in 2010 and would've worked again in 2022.

    But the Dems lost the Senate (well unless Dems pull a rabbit out of a hat in Georgia) so McConnell now has to vote to pass a stimulus bill with the Democrats. So McConnell is now trying to get the stimulus passed in the lame duck session to get that out of the way before Biden becomes president. My guess Pelosi will tell McConnell to bugger off and wait till Biden becomes president to give her some extra leverage. But honestly it doesn't matter because Trump is probably so angry, he'd just veto a stimulus bill out of spite at this point.
     
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    The Senate would have passed a less costly bill .... She kept pushing for things she knew they wouldn't pass and they still won't pass them now , she'll settle for that lesser amount now that the election is over.
     
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    I don't think you have to theorise strategies for Georgia.
    Until then there are 3 months remaining.

    3 months where the people of Georgia will witness Trump and his sycophantic cronies trying to unsurp democracy.

    3 months of Trump trying to take the country down with him. Trying to promote social unrest and even more division.

    3 months where they will witness their state and the city of Atlanta being called nests of corruption and wide spread fraud.

    A lot can change and will change between now and then and the enormity and danger of the bullet skipped with Trump, will become apparent to even the most conservative logical voters.
     
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    Dems should use this...ending it during a Pandemic is definitely something

     
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