Dem leaders warn liberal rhetoric could blow Georgia races

Pelosi is fine, what is needed is a center for messaging.

The right wing propaganda machine is unparralled, and republican politicians just pivot off of that. There is nothing on the left that is similar to that.

And frankly the left needs to start playing dirty, and playing to win.

 

They don't need to play dirty, they just need to play smart and think about what people actually want across the country as opposed to just what progressives want.

 

I agree with this. I said in the Election Day thread even if Trump loses this election shows the resilience of Trump, Trumpism and the GOP. That 69 million Americans voted for Trump, didn't out rightly deliver a Democratic Senate, narrowed the House lead, and didn't deliver a lot of state houses shows that much of this country still supports the Republican message. Especially given the outright lying, corruption and incompetence we've seen more voters than voted for Obama or both Clintons were willing to still return Trump and the Republicans to power.

I don't know about how the campaigns were conducted in Georgia but I know here in MN it seemed like every Republican candidate was running against Ilhan Omar and the burning of the Third Precinct was featured in ads for candidates running for office in districts far outside of Minneapolis. Those messages did have a lot of resonance and likely cost long time Rep. Colin Peterson his seat. It also cost a golden opportunity for the DFL to take control of the whole State Legislature going into redistricting.

Many of the ads featuring Omar did have racist undertones and like it or not racism still plays in rural areas. That said Omar has also said a lot of stupid things and her rhetoric while it fires up protesters blocking I-94 in Minneapolis it fires up many in outstate Minnesota the other way and turns off many of the very swing voters the Democrats desperately need in the Suburbs.

I'm betting this same dynamic is in play in many states including GA. I'm guessing that there were a lot of GA political ads showing stores in Atlanta burning and protests demanding "DEFUND THE POLICE!" It's things like that that might not play so well in Savannah or the suburbs of Atlanta that the Democrats will desperately need if they want to get Ossof and Warnock elected.

 

"Defund the police" was the best gift the Democrats could give to the Republicans. It was on par with "basket of deplorables." Tone-deaf bull****.

Police reform, real reform, where you weed out those dudes with too many reprimands and complaints, or who are caught posting hateful, racist crap online. Yes. Defund the police? It sounds like you want them to have no budget and get overwhelmed when they're really needed.

 

I mean she ain't wrong...... "radical left" and "defund the police" nearly cost them everything.

 

This. Progressives seem to be unaware they are playing into the GOP's hands.

 

Also this. They are organized and inhabit a realm where truth is fluid and convenient while traditions/mythos/nostalgia give them an automatic advantage.

 

Dude for the past couple of decades conservatives have significanltly higher turnout than Democrat core base, young people and minorities. You think part of that reason is that Democrats are just bad at pandering to their base?


How many states passed progressive ballot measures and yet still chose Trump?

I hate when people play the blame game like this when we know there are too many confounding factors.

Disappointed in @rocketsjudoka take here also. Also continuously disappointed at you buying into the out of context sound bite BS that racists do to Ilhan Omar. You just make these assumptions with so many confounding factors. You have to acknowledge that conservatives have higher voter turnout rates. They are more motivated to go to the polls. This year the only thing that motivated liberals to go to the polls was Donald Trump. Joe Biden would no where near inspire the same turnout if he was battling Not Romney. Why? Because many minorities and young people see them as the same and they have good reasons to think that. Donald Trump is such a stark contrast.

 

Pelosi's leadership overall has been a failure. She's allowed so much ground to be lost to the GOP and inspires less turnout by young people and minorities.

The worship of Pelosi when she also grifts (visa stocks) is sad. Why? What do people see in her? She doesn't even explain policy positions well. She isn't charismatic.

 

I think it's very simple...... the GOP have traditions/mythos/nostalgia plus a very powerful media apparatus on their side that brands anything the Dems do as unAmerican/radical.

Dems consistently lose the messaging battle. Progressives need to learn how to speak to working class americans without falling into the messaging traps.

 

Proggesives are significanltly better at speaking to working class Americans. While establishment democrats wax lyricals about platitudes about civility and playing identity politics such as debating about what gender and color the VP should be, proggesives ram home the message that Donald Trump's economy only works for the wealthy. They are the ones who hammer home how the median American houshold has been racked with debt while wages have barely increased. Establishment Dems and mainstream media have a difficult time countering Trump's claims of having the "best economy before COVID" because they too are also attached to gdp growth rates, unemployment rates and stock market growth. It's why Dems always lose in polls asking about who they trust the economy with more. Proggesives explain their positions when people accuse them of being communist while establishment democrats fall back and start disowning proggesive ideas when GOP politicians call them communist and giving into the claim that they are communist/socialist and therefore will never convince people. They give up far too easily explaining these ideas. Progressives are way better at messaging that the dividing line shouldn't be "urban liberal vs conservative rural" but rather "working class vs the wealthy".

 

You can be disappointed in me but that doesn’t change that Not just Mn Republicans but nationwide used Ilhan Omar. While Mn stayed blue presidential and Tina Smith won this wasn’t a good election for the DFL. They lost a US House seat came close to losing another one and couldnt take back the MN Senate. The difference was some very vulnerable Republican state senators hung in in suburban districts. Those districts were plastered with ads with Ilhan Omar and the Third Precinct. This was coming after a very good election in 2018.

 

Uh no. It was progressives who started this WOKE culture wars that backfired and "defund the police". Whatever good will you progressives achieve with "the working class" gets drowned out by "radical left".

 

What seems clear is that despite the woke nonsense, if the far left didn't push for healthcare and a living wage mainstream democrats would be a lot further to the right on both issues. Seems like before Obama the candidate came along you couldn't find a powerful Democrat who would even broach the subject.

 

Nope, it's the mainstream politicians who are heavy into woke politics because the status quo politicians would rather discuss woke politics than economic reform.

"I'm with Her"

 

One of the largest criticisms of Bernie Sanders is that mainstream democrats believe he only concentrates on economic reform rather than racial politics. Their criticism of him is that they think he's stupid because he thinks we can solve everything with economic reform. So your narrative is pretty much 180 degrees from reality.

 

Well sure... both "extremes" are the ones who push the Overton Window as we can see the same on the right. Ultimately it seems it's a moderate type that wins who can speak the lingo/wink towards one extreme while not alienating the middle. I think/hope Trump is an outlier.

I'm actually not anti progressive, just anti losing.

 

That's why the GOP always has more dedicated registered voters who show up to the polls than the Democrat base. The core Democrat base, young people and minorities, have the lowest turnout rates. This year is unique because of Trump. To many young people and minorities, Mitt Romney is pretty much the same as Biden. So the motivation to vote just isn't there for many. Trump got Biden the victory. Trump is responsbile for turnout. If Biden was competing against Jeb or Rubio, turnout for Dems would be considerably lower.

So many young people have the mindset of "the government isn't working for me. Both sides are innefective" even under Obama. That apathy is a result of 50 years of neo-liberalism.

 

Let's acknowledge Trump is a powerful populist and a superb campaigner. Also something about conservatives causes them to fall in line while democrats are like herding cats.

The Koch/McConnell establishment wants it that way, make the government so ineffective and out of reach you say "screw it". In fact, I think progressives don't realize they use the same rhetoric as them....

Lack of balance is the issue. Let's be clear we've had huge shifts in this country of the last 50 years in terms of demographics, economics and technology that our institutions haven't kept up with. We've had a huge migration of people and industry from the Midwest/NE to the West/SW/Texas/SE (aka Sun Belt), which left many areas behind. As a native Texan, you'll have a harder time convincing the issues of NAFTA since Texas has become a manufacturing/export powerhouse.

 

How did she **** the bed with stimulus talks?

What leverage did she ever have over the senate?