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Election Day 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Master Baiter, Nov 3, 2020.

  1. what

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    Jon Stewart or Oprah. I think either of them might decide to do it. AOC is a possibility. I'd be real nervous if they pushed Kamala.
     
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  2. B-Bob

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    well, he and the GOP stayed very firm on that messaging compared to all their other messaging: tax cuts, booming economy, even while people cued up in food bank lines. It was amazing, and it worked. Never mind that we've lost jobs, net, over the last four years or that many of us have lost a lot of household income even if we kept our jerbs.

    That's a pretty amazing fail from the Dems, IMHO.
     
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    It really reminds me of GlenRice, who also claimed to be black and snuck out here when it was election time. Turned out to be this creepy white kid and got run off the boards.

    (Also attempted to sell his used hair gel...)
     
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  4. JayGoogle

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    Well we have elections every 2 years too that determine the congress and there's always local elections going on.

    The reason the election is a popularity contest is...I don't know. Americans like who they like. The GOP messages better, so people think they are helping their wallet.

    The DNC HAS to find a message that appeals to people on the economy and destroy this idea that the GOP are the only ones that can manage a good economy. They are getting killed there. I don't know who in the Dem party can do that. Certainly not AOC (but she does have a future in DNC leadership I think) and Pete may be a good option but they need to turn around the idea that they are just a social justice party.

    People auto-think that DNC are for social justice and civil rights and GOP will help your wallet and it's just not true. Until the Dems message that better they are going to struggle every election.
     
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    I disagree to a point... though I'm certainly no data scientist or election expert.

    I think if you have the Latino JFK, the results are more Democratic. Frankly, I don't think much of anyone really voted for Biden because they love Biden in the first place (obviously there are some)... on the whole, as with most elections with a sitting president, BUT ESPECIALLY THIS ONE, the whole election was a referendum on Trump. If Biden wins, it will be because Trump is a walking disaster as we all know, even the Republicans (on this board and in general, as they all said as much before Trump even was a serious thought for presidency).

    We might not quite be at the point where a Latino JFK would have helped... and indeed perhaps on the whole it would have hurt... ESPECIALLY if Georgia and Pennsylvania become important and ultimately turn blue, in which case the focus on the African American vote over the Latino vote, and even the choosing of Biden (in Georgia's case) will have been the right call.

    But every election going forward, Latino vote will become increasingly more important.
     
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    Many people I talked to always told me that they were voting because they can’t stand Trump. Biden was always getting talked about as nothing more than a transition candidate or the “lesser or 2 evils.” Even here, how many comments were there saying “I’d vote for a lawn chair over Trump” or something to that effect. How high do people think the enthusiasm was for Biden himself?
     
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    downlow black men is a myth started by black women in the early 90's to excuse their alarming std rates.

    our black queens are catching diseases from bottomshelf brads and hispanic julios who have permanent stds for life and dont want to infect their own race of women. The black women are then bringing those diseases to the black community and then blaming black men for infecting them, when they in fact knowingly infected the black man








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    Its why most of genz and millenial brothas want nothing to do with the current liberal brainwashed black woman. ive been team snowbunny and latina since the age of 15
     
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  8. fchowd0311

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    Ya high democrat turnout has nothing to do with Biden. It has everything to do with Trump.
     
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    I doubt modern Cuban Americans would vote for JFK. One, the modern GOP would label him communist as he has praised universal healthcare.

    Remember the number one reason Cuban Americans are more favorable to the GOP is because they are the GOP propaganda machine of "Democrats want to turn America into Venezuela". JFK and his rhetoric wouldn't help that.
     
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    Your expertise is telling.
     
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    and that worries me moving forward

    How long is the Democratic Party gonna continue with these old, corporate types that really excite no one? Republican turnout is high because they love their candidate. Democratic turnout is high because we hate their candidate. Which one seems more sustainable? If not for Covid, they likely lose to Trump again.
     
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    This is going to drag on for months.
     
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  14. JayGoogle

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    F'n knew it was youtube.
     
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    Agreed.

    People care about the economy and the Democrats run the economy well during their years in office. Ultimately, people care about money and they need to focus on passing along that message.

    I'm a Pete Buttigieg fan and I voted for him in the primaries, but he does not have experience and he also struggles to attract black voters based on his history as a Mayor.
     
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    Same exact boat brother. I obviously wanted Bernie but I understand the country might not be ready for Bernie but to go to Joe Biden was just really frustrating. Why coalesce behind Joe f****** Biden out of all people. It's like the Democrat establishment had the same thoughts with Joe as with Hillary. "It's his turn. He deserves it for being so loyal for so many decades".
     
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    That socialism tag is a killer HOWEVER. Bernie's campaign manger, Chuck Rocha, is a genius when it comes to Latinos and Hispanics. The Biden campaign didn't want his help despite his efforts to reach out.

    Look at Bernie's overwhelming Latino/Hispanic support in the primaries. Chuck would have gone down to Florida, he probably wouldn't have flipped it, but it would have been close and there would have been a plan IMO. Biden lost all the Latinos and Hispanics in Texas. Bernie would have cleaned up in Texas.

    The Black vote for Biden in the south in a democratic primary should not have been the reason why Biden inevitably became the nominee for this very reason. Despite Biden's overwhelming victory in the primaries, that demographic is not going to help you in the general which makes it so silly that Biden was saved by his win in SC.

    Now look how well Bernie did in Nevada with Latinos and Hispanics that Biden is now struggling with in the General.

    This is why I feel if a progressive can beat its own party in the primary there is no looking back.
     
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    People need to stop with this "GOP Messages better" "GOP just BETTER at politics" type of analysis because it leads to the wrong cures

    GOP has lost 7 of 8 elections nationally so if their message was that good, they'd be winning more.

    There's a structural quirk that allows them to get fewer votes and still maintain power. Fortunatley will probably not happen with the PResidency this time, but it will happen in the Senate. But, if my message gets 6 million more votes than your message, why is your message better? .
     
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    It amazes me how far the DNC has moved away from Obama's message when it was successful.

    Obama wasn't supposed to win when he did, he ran on CHANGE, that was his one thing. That he was the candidate of change. Trump is now the change candidate, he's the one saying things will be different.
     
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    I can't remember many 10 words or less slogans by the dems wrt economy. Green New Deal got savaged to the point that Biden ran a counter proposal that highlighted splintered policy within party.

    My monkey brain remembers BLM or "pack the courts" clearly, and I got only 5-7 more slogans in my buffer that Trump has flooded.


    Dems probably have decent focus groups, but they don't go the extra step of momma birding the concepts and trying to explain it to a 10 yr old and see if they remember a week later.

    Cruel indoctrination? Do it on a Sunday!
     
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