61% of voters voted yes so this issue was a +20 and approved by a supermajority of voters...something Trump was against
Your vibes are spot on that, I stand by what I said, you could not wait to **** on the democratic party and start passing blame and then doubled down when the numbers started going in their favor. I can never respek somebody that has that type of an agenda blame democrats for everything and not the people who voted in record numbers for Trump. So yeah really?
They need heavy reforming. I do not care about Bernie Sanders and many of those who lost against Biden.
Bernie Sanders wasn't winning Florida. The Cubans in Dade county were going red regardless. The black vote in the South largely came through for Biden. The problem is one of demographics, there are just a lot of white people in those southern states. I do agree with you on economic populism, and that likely would have helped convert some lower middle class whites. The problem with that is in part that Trump is running on the same issue. I am curious to see how Sanders and Trump would have done head to head. I am not sure it is a good match up for Bernie to be honest. Make no mistake, the democratic party is in the middle of a rather large change..... I told you, when Sanders lost, that it was just a matter of time. This is likely the last time that a traditional democrat wins a Presidential election. I do not think that the electorate is quite there in this country, but it will be by 2024. Oddly enough, the successful run of Trump has really helped progressive democrats. Both parties are slow to change what has worked for them, and they are risk adverse when it comes to the national stage. The democrats will run their most progressive candidate in 70 years in 2024.
nah its just something ive observed. us darker skinned people in india and africa are having too many kids, thats why bill gates is over their with his vaccines trying to sterilize our women.
stand by whatever u want...I’m not here to waste time on delusional nonsense like me being mad Trump isn’t winning
They sound like haters, is it the Lincoln projects fault Republicans, Republicaned. How about the fact that those adds energized Democrats? I don't think the Lincoln project is some virtues org and was not out for the money but they were defini
If everyone stopped giving the clown the troll-attention they seek they would likely get bored and go away.
I agree, I don't know who the Dems run in 2024, it's clear Biden was/is going to be a one term guy. I can't see it being Kamala, hell no. But who? I don't know, a lot of the progressives are older. Maybe Yang could build his name in that time but I'm grasping at straws here. I'm sure someone capable will be there though, it's just too early to say.
Democrats have lost a lot of white working class voters, rural farm and ranch voters (they used to be Dems!), and a lot of middle Americans, because their party doesn’t just ignore them, but actively vilifies and poops on them. Read through this thread on the vitriol and arrogant disregard that a lot of left leaning people spew against those type of voters and you’ll see why they’ve probably lost them forever, or at least until there is a shift in discourse
I think there were a lot of things happening in the electorate late. Once again late deciders cast their vote for Trump. From the edison data research exit poll: When did you finally decide for whom to vote in the presidential election? In the last few days 3% of voters Trump 49 Biden 45 In the last week 2% 63 30 In October8% 46 49 In September 11% 41 55 Before that 72% 49 49 This might explain why Biden built a lead up in Sept/Oct but then once again, just like hilary, things tightened up pretty rapidly in the last week. Given that there wasn't any event in the last week - this could be a result of Trump's rallies or a result of misinformation ad campaigns. Could have been the ground game as well convincing people at the last moment. Or it could be that a lot of undecideds were leaning Trump and just made up their mind late. Also, Trump did best with Men without Children, Also interesting: Which presidential candidate has the temperament to serve effectively as president? Both 5% of voters Trump 60 Biden 38 Only Biden 48% 2 97 Only Trump 39% 98 1 Neither 6% 65 17 So you can see that people were definitely rationalizing their choice for Trump by saying "they are both bad, or both capable" And then finally on the economy, I think people feel that Trump did a great job with the economy and that the Coronavirus was not his fault: Which one of these five issues mattered most in deciding how you voted for president? Racial inequality 20% of voters 8 91 The coronavirus pandemic 17% 14 82 The economy 35% 82 17 Crime and safety 11% 71 28 Health care policy 11% 36 63 It was the top issue almost 2:1 over the pandemic and Trump dominated. I think people underestimated the impact of the perception of Trump improving the economy impacted him as an incumbent, and the fact that he is not blamed for the Coronavirus - in reality, it's actually impressive that Biden might win at all.
jiggyfly, I have been thinking this country needs either a new 3rd party or truly separate socialist party (those that only worry about social issues) into their own 3rd party instead of lumping them in with Democrats. As someone who does not partake much in politics and is extremely moderate, it has been a big sticking point for me the past 8 years or so to see the liberal media consistently make the American people see what they want to see. This started to happen under Obama and has gotten worse. Trump and Republicans have counteracted that with false narratives as well so basically there is no media anyone can trust anymore. Not to mention, social media has exacerbated the issue by showing continuous clips on everyone's news feeds, etc. that uses algorithms to be able to "trigger" that person to make a divisive post, etc. without knowing all of the facts. What I do know is that it is disgusting to watch the liberal media who is supposed to report facts blatantly stating opinions and showing footage of social justice issues that they want us to see and completely race baiting for their own agenda. This has to stop. This is what has divided our country. Of course, Trump has made it worse with his responses to these issues and lack of responses. There needs to be more accountability for news sources that do this on a consistent basis. Twitter needs to be taken away from Trump if reelected. Just kill Twitter all together? Our leaders also need to be able to show empathy for these issues but also somehow let the American public know that we need to wait for the facts. The issue is, waiting for the facts is now considered a racist endeavor which has angered many people who do not listen to the media's narrative but form their own opinion on the matter. Telling Americans how to think has never been a historically good practice. Also, in regard to Bezos buying the Washington Post, some of you think that is a good thing? How is that a good thing with a billionaire who is basically taking over the world in technology, goods, etc. now owns a major newspaper? Should have never happened and I am surprised that he was even able to given the monopoly he already has. Again, another thing that Democrats need to realize is not only do liberals control the media, social media narrative they are also in control of our colleges and breeding grounds for liberal agendas. Colleges have historically been "progressive" which in and of itself is not a bad thing but when you start to denounce a person or not allowing them to debate with their schoolmates simply for having a conservative view, that is about as un-American as it gets. We all should have a voice and silencing a whole generation of kids is not the answer as it has made those kids parents mad as hell. I have actually seen this agenda try to be pushed in the elementary, junior high and high school levels in Texas which is completely unacceptable. We all should have a voice and should not be deemed a racist, etc. simply for having an opinion that differs from the majority in a classroom. As for separating socialists to their own party (again those that worry more about social issues more than anything else), I think that is what is scaring off some moderate voters in both parties. The Biden of 5-10 years ago would have been a runaway candidate to Trump in this election assuming he also picked a suitable running mate. Biden has always been somewhat of a moderate as was Obama to an extent. Now the Democratic party has gone so progressive/left in such a short amount of time that many Americans who see what has happened/happening to states like California, New York, Washington, Oregon are concerned of what will come if someone like Kamala Harris is president or is able to convince Biden of her views. Kamala Harris being named the VP pick and then visiting Jacob Blake in the hospital likely swayed some moderate voters to look Republican. Did Kamala Harris focus on the wrong victim in that scenario? What about Jacob Blake's girlfriend who called the police? Is she not a victim too? Why did a VP candidate not visit her? I realize she didn't get shot by police but what would have happened to her if the police didn't show up or she didn't call them? The Democrats need more moderate candidates like Biden but obviously younger and with running mates that actually have similar views to the president that is running but that seems few and far between these days. Harris likely did nothing to gain any moderate Democrat votes. Socialists/Bernie supporters were likely voting Harris anyway so why the need to add Harris to the ticket? It seems like the best choice for the social issues in this country which is why she was picked but I do think some moderate Democrats and Republicans were unconvinced when Harris was named VP and that likely lost the Biden campaign a lot of votes. On the other side, Republicans need to get away from the Trump culture and work to mend the separation that has occurred between both parties. It will take both parties future candidates to begin heading closer to the middle than the far right or far left and will also take the media and social media to quit setting flames to every event that occurs. Of course, this is a tall task but I have faith that a leader will emerge over the next several years that has watched the divide in America and seen what not to do. If Biden wins, I hope he is able to start repairing the breakdown between parties and keep his faculties long enough to focus on the issues this country faces. Some of the social changes he has proposed sound great in principle but pulling them off in such a short amount of time may be fool's gold. I hope he has realistic plans on how to pay for some of the social changes. He should set his sights on 1-2 major change per year starting with what is most important (Covid, Racial justice, etc.) then set sights on the other social issues (healthcare, cheaper college, etc.). Anything more than that will be hard to manage as it will not be easy to navigate in a country of 330 million. Of course if Trump is re-elected, we know what he is already. I would like to think he would change some of his us vs. them mentality but very likely too late for that. A little humility from him would go a long way but again that is very unlikely to happen which is a shame. Would likely need other Republicans to quit kissing his ass and work for real change and focus on helping a majority of Americans get through this crisis and start recovering from the beatdown we have all taken this year mentally and emotionally.
Bro, you put way too much weight in your observations and likely spend too much time watching youtube videos or browsing facebook.
