France under attack by Islamists (including Erdogan)

A famous reporter (Constantin Schreiber) here in Germany went into Mosques undercover and didn't tell them that he spoke perfect Arabic due to studying there for years.

At first they preached moderately in German when cameras were on, but when cameras turned off quickly went to their own language and started with radical hate speech, thinking he wouldn't understand.
He also found radical books in backrooms etc

The **** they preach here in Europe is insane, they are creating a new generation of extremists right under our noses.

Funny thing to add: This journalist at first was seen as a hero to Muslims and refugees due to producing a TV program that taught ppl about the values and cultures of Germany and the refugee's home countries.
But once he did that undercover Mosque research and published it, the vast majority started to accuse him of being an Islamophobe and spreading hate, being a Nazi etc.

 

This seemed to be well-organized but rushed due to the impending lockdown, pretty sure the original plan was to attack upcoming Christmas markets or new year's eve parties.
Hopefully this will minimize casualties, as I can't see any Western Euro country really allowing mass events for the remainder of the year.

 

So media are saying he was sentenced to 22 months in jail for wanting to join ISIS in Syria, but got released early.

Utterly ridiculous how someone like him got to still be in Europe, yet alone walk freely.

 

From what I am reading he was born and raised in Austria and had austrian citizenship.
So pretty much almost domestic terrorist.

Of course the question remains how can a 20 year old find automatic weapons and who was the mastermind.
This guy was just a mindless tool.

They need to catch the others and the organiser.

And there is serious blame with the Austrian police who allowed a known flagged suspect who was released from prison, to get guns and wasn't monitored closely.

 

I don't understand how someone who wanted to join ISIS was able to walk free after 22 months unless they had decided to cooperate in a significant way.

 

Overread that, true.

So like you said, it's a question of how he could still commit a terrorist attack after being a known IS supporter. There also need to be new ways of handling these cases, a 22month sentence for wanting to join a terrorist organisation is laughable and it should be obvious they won't turn their back on that ideology suddenly.

 

As ATW said, it's not the first time and 2-3yr sentences seem to be the norm in these cases, it lets these guys get off with a slap on their wrist when it should be obvious they'll likely sympathize with terrorism and a radical ideology for life.

 

That's enlightening for the public to know. Especially those radical islamophile left and green who think that everyone is innocent victim.

But I bet the German secret service knew all about it and had informers inside the mosque. Maybe even bugged it.

The good peaceful muslims should be morally obligated to report when they see such radical imams calling people to violence.

Wouldn't you report it to the police if you hear your priest calling people to go murder the infidels?

Yes you would and why should there be double standards?

We have had one example here of the local muslim pakistani community come and report an imam on their own to the police.

Link : https://www.kathimerini.gr/investigations/840429/o-imamis-toy-misoys-stin-ellada/

Summary :
An imam who lived in Greece for 7 years was reported by the pakistani community to the pakistani embassy for hate speech.
He fled to Pakistan and then kept trying to come back to keep up his hate work until he was arrested at the airport.

In his preaching in the mosque he called other muslims and Christians infidels and asked the devout muslims to raise their sword against them.

After the Pakistani embassy did nothing the leaders of the Pakistani community filed a lawsuit against him and 5 other like minded individuals and gave it to the police.

The imam was a member of Lashkar-e-Taiba an extremist islamic organisatiosn with close ties with the Pakistani secret services.
It was funded in Afghanistan by Osama bin Laden and the US names it as a terrorist organisation.

These are the people who can come here and be imams.
Members of terrorist organisations and agents of foreign governments.

 

I read it is because he was a minor and they evaluated him as "incapable of actually carrying attacks" so they went easy with him.

It's not out of the realm of possibillity that a 19 year old kid has lost his way and can find it back. Afterall he hasn't commited an actual crime so you can't keep him inside indefinitely.
Moreover what happens in prison? Does he get "reeducation" or does he meet other like minded individuals and he gets even more radicalised?

The issue imo with the austrian police is how they stopped completely monitoring him when he was out there on SOCIAL MEDIA posting with guns and saying he will kill people.
I mean come on.
There are only 90 ISIS wanabee fighters in Austria. They can't spare the effort to keep monitoring them?
And how they got guns?

The guns didn't grow on their own. A wannabe terrorist has had contacts with the criminal underground and the police was sleeping.

 

The terrorist that killed people on a Berlin Christmas market years ago was radicalised in a Berlin mosque, so I'm not sure they are doing a good job.

And as you said, there being nearly zero reports of hate speech in Mosques shows how the majority doesn't seem to be offended by these ideas or possible terrorist acts.

 

I read that Czechia and Germany have boosted up the border controls and search for the terrorists.
Still better safe than sorry.
If it's not these particular who knows if someone does't get .."inspired".
Better avoid any churches synagogues or crowded places.
Good thing with covid there aren't any concerts, bars or public markets open.

Merry Christmas everyone!!
It's not enough that we can't get out for a fcking deadly virus now we can't even go to church or christmas market because of raging lunatics beheading people.

 

Exactly.
It's not just the few bad apples that commit the actual crimes.
It's the silent complicity of the "peaceful" masses who condone them and accept them.

 

The German tweet says a Muslim can never be a terrorist, a terrorist can never be Muslim.
It isn't Islam, those people aren't Muslims.

 

You don’t convince people or bring them together by focusing on and railing against how they are different. You do it by focusing on and convincing them of their shared humanity and values. I can’t stress that enough.

And religious identity isn’t merely about having a “set of ideas” that can be easily swapped in and out. For these people, their religion is part of who they are. By attacking that which they consider to be sacred, it is like you are attacking them or their family. So your point that you can’t insult religion, only people, is somewhat off the mark in that how one frames their religious critiques can easily be perceived as a personal insult or attack.

Your attitudes about religion and Islam itself are perhaps not too different from mine. Your focus is on how Islam itself has created the problem. My focus is one practical steps to be taken to promote liberalism in these communities. Going after Islam itself, rhetorically, is not a practical solution to reach out to and reform these communities. You need Muslims as allies in the reform process, and you are intent on turning them all into your enemies with pointless provocations like calling their prophet a pedophile.

Your approach might work if you round up all these people and coerce them into renouncing their religion by force — but you have rejected this extreme solution. Without such forced and focused indoctrination, just attacking their religion will not change their minds.

What is and will be the effect of European leaders asserting the message you are expressing here? More radicalization, more attacks is what I would predict and what I have seen. Perhaps you are OK with this because you think it will force a reckoning within the Muslim community that will ultimately lead to reform. How many lives will be lost pursuing this violent path?

 

I believe in the US it's 15-20 if you try to join ISIS

 

It all depends on the definition of "wanting to join" I suppose but if he was arrested and imprisoned it must have been serious.

But once radicalized you can't depend on "reeducation" to have much effect. Yes he is capable of change but the bar has to be set very high. It's a significant crime to try to attempt to join a terrorist group. At the very least they should have been monitoring him carefully after release.