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The president speaks

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Oct 21, 2020.

  1. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    For rural America the last 40 years has been a consistent slide into oblivion no matter which party is in power.

    Given that the fecklessness of our leaders and paralysis of Congress is a natural result of the duopoly, we're now at a point where elections are merely a proxy war over culture.

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    I feel like you could swap out this young, urban, college-educated girl for an older, rural, non-college-educated man, change "Hillary" to "Trump", and "brunch" to "church".

    As long as the President agrees with me about a few certain cultural issues I will be blissfully unconcerned with the American project circling the toilet.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    True rural America has been in the decline that said under Obama farms were selling record amount of soybeans and corn while under Trump they needed to be bailed out. This is again perception over reality.
    There is some truth to that but I don't think it's quite as fixed. Biden has assembled a coalition of ranging from Never Trumper Republicans with people like Steve Schmidt to Progressives like Bernie Sanders. That shows that there still are many people in this country who care about more than just wedge cultural issues.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Rural and farmers, or even people who work in agriculture at all, are not synonymous. One is but a small fraction of the other.

    I saw a study about this that was pretty disheartening. The gist was that you can predict with a shockingly high degree of certainty whether someone is going to vote D or R based on like 5 or fewer certain cultural issues (abortion, LGBT, guns, religion, etc).

    A few high profile traditionalists throwing their weight against Trump isn't really a sign to me that this trend is changing.
     
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    Lmao at the horseblinders the liberals wear. Rural America has declined? How have the inner cities fared? The liberal strongholds? South side of Chicago good? How about Baltimore? Open your eyes, hypocrites.
     
  5. jo mama

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    lol. you supported george w bush.

    youre too much jorge! yall constantly attacked obama for using a teleprompter and then we see trump using one all the time and not a single peep from you. open your eyes, hypocrite.
     
  6. Rileydog

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    you made the claim that trump was elected because Obama did such a bad job.

    well, voters would decide whether this is true. Is it your view that trump would beat Obama in an election?
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    First, at least have the courage to respond to me directly.

    Second, your reflexive partisan defensiveness serves you poorly. This is not a liberal or conservative issue, it's a humanitarian issue.

    The numbers don't lie. Jobs, wealth, and well-being are increasingly being concentrated in urban and sub-urban areas.

    All cities have blight, but rural areas have been uniformly dying since the 1980s.

    None of this is a criticism of one side or praise of another. Both Republicans and Democrats are complicit in the explosion of the income gap.
     
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    Did you mean to say obstruction instead of Duopoly?

    This why it's hard to take you seriously when you leave major facts like that out.
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    If you don't understand how FPTP and the natural duopoly that results from that creates gridlock I can't really explain it to you neatly in a forum post. Sorry.
     
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    None of that has anything to do with you leaving out the real reason for the gridlock.

    So no I don't need to to explain it because it's not relevant.

    Nice try to inject some obscure philosophy (First Past the Post) and some word of the day you picked up to **** on democrats again.

    No apologies needed because it's just deflection.
     
  11. TheRealist137

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    Nothing gets liltexxx back to his trolling ways like Obama. The man dominates his thoughts and controls his emotions.
     
  12. CometsWin

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    In my view the gridlock is obviously a problem but this has always been an issue where laws/regulation are always two steps behind innovation/technology. To me the bigger issue is the obstruction. The minority party has been continually rewarded and emboldened by our arcane rules and processes. Continually having a minority party holding more than its fair share of power invites corruption and obstruction.
     
  13. DonnyMost

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    Our system is not built to move quickly and unfortunately incentivizes obstruction from whatever party happens to be a minority. The death of bipartisanship and ascendance of party uniformity are features, not bugs.

    Also, if you think the Democrats are going to suddenly kick it into high gear and enact bold changes when they control both houses of Congress and the White House in 2021 I have a bridge to sell you.
     
  14. CometsWin

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    Yes, I agree. Biden is a moderate, corporate Democrat so it's back to business as usual as far as I'm concerned which is why I favored a more aggressive candidate like Warren. The trend since Reagan is a dramatic turn to the right, followed by a course correction slightly to the left, followed by another dramatic turn to the right.
     
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  16. DonnyMost

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    Yeah, it feels like we're the only industrialized nation on earth taking full throated steps to the right while the rest of the world lurches to the left. Even funnier is how Republicans gaslight everyone into thinking that we're stark-raving socialists when the modern Democratic party would be too conservative for even Reagan era Republicans. It's amazing that a mild auth-right like Biden is the standard bearer for the American left-wing.
     
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  17. Amiga

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    UK shifted right, didn’t they?

    With a 6-3 court and the gop litigating everything, it’s going to be an uphill battle to shift back to the left. This was an enormous risk known since 2016.
     
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    Really? lol He took over one of the worst economies in history from republicans and turned it around
     
  20. Dubious

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    Your President lies about everything even when it makes no sense

    Biden will take away air conditioning from Seniors
    Cory Booker never lived in Newark
    The Health plan will be presented in two weeks

    I think you'dr eally have to be stupid to buy anything he says, There is no issue between the parties that justifies supporting this charlatan.
    WAkKE THE F***** UP!

    Don't you give a flying F about honesty? Don't you five a flying F about democracy? Be a F'in American!


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    I thought all the Russians went home after the Burisma failure.
     

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