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Denver man shoots right-wing nut in self-defense

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 11, 2020.

  1. wekko368

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    I'm not sure that's true. He was a security guard for a local news station, not the park where the incident occurred.
     
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    Agree, he had a right to be in the vicinity. If it was some random joe that was threatened then he would have an obligation to egress the location as first option. If he was chased with the scenario of “no where to go” then he has the right to self defense..because the guard had an obligation to stay in the vicinity then this is likely self defense considering he was already assaulted
     
  3. wekko368

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    And if he didn't have an obligation to stay in the vicinity? Would he still have an argument of self-defense?
     
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    It would be severely weakened because he didn’t choose to egress the area if it was presented as possible
     
  5. Jayzers_100

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    Don’t agree with you often but this is exactly right
     
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  6. wekko368

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    In that case, why do you think he had an obligation to stay in the vicinity? Because the reporter he was hired to protect was in the vicinity?
     
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    Self fulfilling prophecy.

    These angry, brainwashed MMA-groupie middle aged white guys show us again and again they are there to get physical, not protest peacefully.

    When one pushes too far and gets capped, OR kills someone and gets arrested, it's a debate?

    It's a damn shame that the guy got killed. A damn shame. I'm sure there are people mourning him. And there are people who are incised by this action, on both sides of the 'debate' and will ratchet up the anger for next time around. I wish it would all stop.
     
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    Sometimes you're pretty lazy at research. I've noticed.

    You know; you can read the opening article in the OP and get your answers. Twice now you expressed lack of understanding what the security guard's job was.

    He is contracted by 9News Denver to protect their photographers and journalist staff who go into the middle of these protests. There's been many protests in Denver and violence, so they've been hiring these guys for months. (They are from Pinkerton.) All those facts are in the article or tweets from the article. I'm pretty sure the guy to the right of the shooter is the person he is hired to protect, and maybe the photographer who took those pictures, too. Two guys (the shooter and a 9News staff) were ordered to the ground and handcufffed as the police moved in.

    It is possible the victim was confronting a photographer or journalist for being nosey, and the guard moved in between and got b**** slapped. We have no facts on that, but a 9News guy is within feet of the shooter.

    anyhoot, sorry for calling you lazy, but posing questions that are already answered and speculating on them erroneously because we didn't read the article, often derails a thread, and can be avoided by us posters just reading the OP article.

    pet peeve of mine
     
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  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    What about the man who shot the drunk girl as she egressed from his driveway?
     
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    That's murder in my book. But, these guys are idiots in my book as well.
     
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    Physically striking someone and then spraying them with bear spray or whatever it was seems like a pretty serious assault to me. Mace in the face can incapacitate someone allowing them to be easily overpowered. So, I can see where the shooter could possibly avoid prosecution.
     
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    It’s coming right for us!
     
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    Somebody needed to say it.

    Thanks.
     
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    This should be good.
     
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    Still waiting on the twist.

    So what if he is antifa, how does that change anything from what happened.

    I bet these same people were saying the Atlanta cop shooting was justified because he pointed a taser at the cop.

    Or that Rittenhouse was justified.
     
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    Apparently 9news is antifa too. I want my 4 minutes back
     
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    Cool got anymore YouTube blogger videos you want to share
     
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    Guy should be arrested, charged and sentenced to serve a decade or two.


    Getting b**** slapped and pepper sprayed isn’t grounds to kill someone. Guns do not belong at protest, the news station are idiots for hiring guns for protests, wonder if they get sued.

    I appreciate the thread as a satire point to make fun of the right for parroting bogus defenses of murders (have we started the “The guy was an idiot for pepper spraying a person with a gun so he had it coming” talking points yet?).... but only as satire.

    Another day in America, no surprise, but disappointing for sure.
     
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    Incidents like this and the Kenosha shooting are going to to be used to justify more violence. This is the path we're headed down when everybody is carrying and ready to use a gun to 'stand their ground'.
     
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