Yes because the typical sequence is that the black man first punches a cop and then pulls out some mace and starts spraying it.
In that third photo, before the macing, the security guard is already preparing to pull his gun. If those photos are in the correct order, it looks like the "patriot" (aka jackass white nationalist) hit the security guard then backed up and started approaching him a second time and that's when the security guard started to pull his weapon. It may not matter whether the macing happened before the shooting if the shooter met the legal standard for a shooting in Colorado which in Texas is fear of serious bodily injury or death. I think you could easily argue that since the man on the left already hit the security guard once and was approaching a second time with a huge can of mace in his hand that it was perfectly reasonable to shoot him.
Legally it might be self defense but I just don't like this culture of shooting down people the moment some confrontation happens. If you have a firearm you should try your best to walk away from a situation. If this man wasn't posing any threats to the property he was defending as a security guard, he should have just walked away.
Agree with this , if the security guard was being chased (I.e. no where to go) then it’s self defense - this is the qualifier
Also what helps the security guard here was he was assigned to this position. His job was here. He was meant to be here and didn't show up to be an edgelord that antagonizes. That is going to help him in his defense. Unlike when other people who with their history shows extreme bias and outrage shows up to one of these events armed to trigger people, that's when self defense can get shaky. You know.. "if you poke the bear..."
Yeah, most of us don't like Republican gun culture. I am willing to make exceptions if Republicans want to get shot down in the streets and have the laws they've championed let their killers off scot free.
I get the cathartic vindictiveness of this situation. Like my empathy for this person shot dead isn't extremely high. Most right wingers who find it compelling enough to go to these protests are bad people most likely. But at the end of the day that dude was a human who most likely was brainwashed and has a family. It sucks.
Should we start bringing up the deceased’s past, or do we only do that for a certain group of people?
I agree with you in principle but this guy is a security guard and if there was a threat to the safety of those who he was hired to protect it would be dereliction of his duty to not have stayed. From what I'm seeing here I'm not seeing enough to say for sure if this was justified. Mace isn't non-lethal but of those things that is considered less than lethal as in very rare circumstances it had led to death. In and of itself though I'm not sure most people would consider it as a threat that a lethal response was appropriate. The other pic showing the security guard getting slapped shows that they were already fighting but heypartners astute observation that it appears the firearm was discharged while the mace was being discharged to me raises a question is what happened first? Did the security guard draw and fire his weapon as the other guy was pulling his mace out? Could he have gone lethal seeing the other guy pull out a weapon that he might not have known right away what it was and then fired before he had a chance to assess it was mace and not something worse?
I agree, it's sad all around. However, I don't know how you change people's minds. I would think dealing with the hugely negative effects in a personal way would have to change some minds on the topic but when someone really hasn't thought it through in the first place I don't know that can ever happen for some people.
Very good point. We need to see video of how the shot victim pulled out the mace. It very well could have looked like he was was pulling out a firearm from the perception of the security guard given the context of the situation (right wing protestors and militia types who most likely are armed).
somebody threw a plastic bag at that murderer Kyle Rittenhouse, and right wingers said that was enough for their hero to shoot and kill...now they’re in outrage because a security guard defended himself against someone slapping and macing him
Wrong. He was being chased with intent of bodily harm. That is clear. I am very aware of self defense laws. Kyle had no where to go and was fleeing at the time since he had no reason to be there but he still has the right to self defense from incapacitation/serious threat. the security guard might be self defense since he had a right to be there. He was already slapped, but not enough evidence is accurate
Btw no matter the justification to take a life it’s a serious and should be last resort option. Even with an understanding of laws on the side of the person justifying self defense, there will be bias legal local governance that will make decisions and lawsuits from family members is a strong likelihood
Mace may not be lethal but it can incapacitate somebody leading to a real threat of their safety once maced.
