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Bring on the Mini-EVs (Electric Cars)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Xerobull, Sep 30, 2020.

  1. RKREBORN

    RKREBORN Member

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    Hard pass on the car, but will take the girl
     
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  2. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Golf carts are one of the biggest ripoffs known to man. Unfortunate my bride wanted one. A new one.
     
  3. donkeypunch

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    That title still belongs to the TI-83 calculator sir.
     
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  4. davidio840

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    Lol! This guy is speaking the truth! Same can be said for any valve, pipe, fitting, RTIC cup, tools, kitchen utensil, etc. etc.
     
  5. davidio840

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    And also, while the price is cheap to us, this is a years salary to many many Chinese people. The last time I was there visiting a factory supplier in Suzhou, one of the guys there in the “president building” had a suv kinda similar to Kia. It was made by Dongfeng. I asked him how much it was and he told me it was a years salary.

    I got back to my hotel and looked it up. About $12k at the time (this was end of 2018). Just goes to show this disparity in salary and this guy wasn’t a peasant laborer like most of them are; if they are lucky to have a job.
     
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  6. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

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    Fify
     
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    You must like girls with nice butts.
     
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  8. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Gosh!

    :eek:
     
  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Not exactly on topic, but I have an EV question for y'all. Need some hep please.

    Looking at getting a little EV for our city lives, so the range is not a big worry for me.

    I like the BMW i3 in several ways, but here's what I don't understand, and maybe somebody can help me out. New, (which I'll probably avoid), it gets close to a Tesla price range, but then I can find dealer certified used versions with as little as 5k miles... and the price is under $20k.

    Seems like a no brainer that I'd go for the relatively new used route, but I'm probably missing something, (e.g. like I'll have to replace the battery for a ma-billion dollars after owning it for a month?)

    I know all cars lose most of their value when they leave the lot, blah blah, but this seems extreme.
     
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  10. RedRedemption

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    Why do they have to make small cars so ugly.
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    Knowing nothing about the EV market, my initial thoughts were 1) supply glut for whatever reason (is it a crappy car?) and 2) it was overpriced to begin with. Didn't think about the subsidies:

    So why are these things losing value so quickly? It’s all about the subsidies.

    Here’s the deal. The current MSRP of the Nissan Leaf is $31,700, including shipping. But that’s before a federal government tax rebate of $7,500, which effectively lowers that figure to $24,200. Then there are other incentives in addition to the federal tax rebate. Many states are offering tax rebates, for instance, and Nissan itself is offering some huge incentives on the Leaf — including 0 percent interest for up to 72 months, or up to $4,000 cash back. Those figures bring the prices down even further.

    In fact, they bring the prices down so far that I would suggest this: Electric vehicles don’t actually depreciate all that much. Here’s my thinking: The Leaf’s starting price is around $30,000, sure, but all the incentives mean you actually buy the thing for closer to $20,000 — and suddenly it’s not so crazy that it’s available for $8,600 five years later. It’s the same story with the i3, the Volt and every other fast-depreciating electric vehicle.


    https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/why-do-electric-cars-lose-so-much-value-so-fast-265682

    Bunch of articles here, I only read a couple and I'm sure there's more to it (some of the articles are a few years old), so I'll let you dig deeper:

    https://www.google.com/search?clien...VFbc0KHXBNBfsQ1QIwFnoECC8QAQ&biw=1920&bih=947
     
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  12. ThatBoyNick

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    Bring back the old beauties

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    The Netherlands has these tiny cars called Canta's.
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    San Francisco would be a great place to test a tiny car-only city, these things just aren't safe around regular cars.
     
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  13. Bandwagoner

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    yoou can get a nissan leaf for 4-6K with hardly any miles on it for a reason.

    No one wants cars like this.
     
  14. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

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    Exaggeration- it’s more like $8k+ for around 40k miles and 6+ years old. It’s a niche market.

    I see these barriers:
    -Relatively short range for TX drivers
    -Charging is slow unless you have a 440 plug
    -Batteries wear out with lack of affordable replacement shops
    -They’re small
    -They’re ‘ugly’ (generational tastes - have you seen the **** Millennials drive?)
    -Texas bonus: batteries don’t last as long in our heat.

    Tesla crosses some of these items off (bigger, very good looking, longer ranges)

    I would buy one at 4k if it had a few years left on the battery since I work from home and only take the kids to school/day care.

    That said, the transition to work from home does make these look more attractive, but it also makes my gas vehicle last longer as well. And I can’t go off-road if I need to in a Leaf.
     
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  15. jiggyfly

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    I'm pretty sure the batteries have there own warranties and you can probably buy extended warranties on the batteries.

    Also if you get a great price on the car it might still be fiscally reasonable to just replace the battery but that would only work if you have the infrastructure to do the swap available in your area.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32583041/buy-cpo-hybrid-ev/

    https://content.sierraclub.org/evgu...sed-electric-cars-sophisticated-buyer’s-guide
     
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  16. MIAGI99

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    It's warrantied for eight years(last time I checked) and it is liquid cooled.

    People were more so complaining about the build quality and the funky tires that you probably only can get replaced at BMW.
     
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  17. hooroo

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    i'd want the motor and batteries under the hood, not under the floor just in case something catches on fire. keep on reading about modern cars catching on fire. volvo had a recent recall. bmw's have earned a rep the past decade for going up in flames.
     
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  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Yeah, that would be a bad way to go, for sure.

    Anyone have experience with carvana.com ? Online, relatively seamless way to sell / buy used. I'm also considering engaging a broker b/c really busy (posting on CF) and I've heard good things about that process, even ending up way ahead on the costs.
     
  19. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

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