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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I do find it entertaining you're accusing me of being predictable.

    Let me ask you though what have the Democrats gained by ending the nuclear option of ending the filibuster for appointments when they invoked in when they were in the majority? Has it advanced the Democratic / Progressive agenda at all? Or as it allowed Mitch McConnell to become the most powerful majority leader since LBJ?

    Also I noticed you never answered the question whether you would be for adding extra seats to the USSC if it was a 5-4 liberal majority..
     
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    It's not always just about appealing to voters especially in a lame duck session. These people are Republicans for a reason and would actually want to see an ideologically conservative court.
     
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    I actually think those would be good reforms but it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change lifetime appointment of Justices.
     
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    I don't agree with it but I fear that is what will happen.
     
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    You are right - it sets a dangerous precedent that Republicans will employ when the tables are turned.

    But unfortunately the Dems don't have a choice here realistically. Their hand is being forced. Impeachment was optional and a bad idea, because before impeachment Trump's overreach of executive power was limited to bad appointments, breaking the emoluments clause and the Hatch Act, and obstruction of justice. Now it's gone much much further in a way that completely undermines our democracy.

    If the Dems allow a 6-3 court to stand with 5 loyalist right-wing justices, Republicans can win nearly any case they bring before the SCOTUS. Republicans will be able to push laws at the state level that will disenfranchise voters, restrict abortions, and who knows what else, and have them all clear the SCOTUS. Any law the Dems pass in congress will be challenges as unconstitutional and eventually be overturned.

    Facing that prospect of judicial overreach, I don't see a logical option for Democrats on this one.
     
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    Why isn't the dem's solution to anything ever to just win elections?
     
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    Why is the Republicans solution to everything is to cheat?
     
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    You dipshits didn’t agree then but now all of the sudden it makes sense. You’re a bunch of hypocrites. You can’t have it both ways.
     
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    Couple of points... the number of Supreme Court justices is not mentioned at all in the U.S. Constitution. That number was set by Congress. And, that number has been changed seven times (legally) over time.

    Second, Democrats have won the popular vote for President seven out of the last eight elections. Four the five conservative judges were sat by presidents that did not win the popular vote. And one could argue that the political views of Americans have been tilting more "liberal" over time, yet the political mechanism of installing judges (not just at the USSC level) has been to install more conservative judges.

    Third, for Democrats to realistically move the political leanings from "conservative" to liberal, Democrats will need to win the presidency three times (assuming the two oldest conservative judges retire/die). How many times have there been three straight elections won by one party?

    Last, right wing posters have been quick to call concerns about RvW as "bogeyman" even though trump and republican senators have all said they will use overturning RvW as the single most important test of a justice. Heck, I posted one such senator's offensive tweet saying just that. So along with health care protections for those with pre-existing conditions, ending health care protections for people with pre-existing conditions and affordable health care access, RvW is completely at risk from this seat. Despite the overwhelming support of the large majority of Americans.
     
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    Unfortunately, the "conservatives" abandoned all integrity... so calling them out of their hypocrisy has no effect...
     
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    Can always count on trump...

     
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    This is equivalent of beating your wife and 4 years later being on a high horse and lecturing someone about how bad it is to beat your wife while never acknowledging your faults and lecturing from a high horse position.
     
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    The majority of the GOP are just a bunch of sleazy lying scumbags.
     
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    Because they have a scumbag lying cheating boss who expects them to.
     
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    I don't know why him lying all of a sudden matters now. Meanwhile the right continues to push Biden obviously unintentionally misspeaking (2 million dead from Coronavirus or whatever he misstated) as some ultimate gotcha.
     
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    A hypocrite is a guy comparing filling a seat 10 months away from reelection to 46 days.
     
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