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RBG has passed away

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Sep 18, 2020.

  1. SamFisher

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    I think Democrats have secretly dreamed about court packing but if they rush through a nomination, get ready for that to become a reality if they win the Senate.
     
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    Repubs - "FILL HER SEAT!"

    Dems - "DON'T FILL HER SEAT!"

    Both sides...go f**k yourselves! She isn't even cold yet!
     
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    how about instead of screwing all this up just have our already accountable government make the big decisions that have been cast off and gobbled up by the supreme court?

    We are basically ruled by 9 untouchable elders with no opportunity to change any of their decisions.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Let me say this about Susan Collins, not only is she obviously a dupe/fraud/coward, but she's tactically very dumb. If you're going to act in bad faith to destroy the country, try not to suck so much at it?

    She literally destroyed her reelection chances which could have locked in GOP Senate control with a bunch of votes that had little to no payoff either to her or to Republicans.

    Let's take 2 examples. Kavanaugh. This destroyed her in Maine. She could have joined hands with Murkowski and she gets to play hero, Trump throws a tantrum and still nominates Barrett, GOP gets their retrograde white power justice and we're just as ****ed, but Susan Collins is now a favorite in Maine

    Impeachment. Lol this one was a no brainer. There was no upside to voting to acquit - none - it put the nail in her Maine coffin. If she's really that afraid of a mean tweet, I mean, ready.

    Now after it's too late, she's whispering she's going to do the right thing? Lol, great but you're still gone in November. The only thing I can think of is she has a lobbying job lined up with Trump friendly elements, otherwise her 0 dimensional chess fails have no plausible explanation.

    RBG worked her whole life to show that women get a seat at the table against the odds and laid the groundwork for Susan Collins to enjoy those rights

    Susan Collins took that opportunity and has spent the latter portion of hers showing women can be as flawed and derelict as men.
     
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    Very interesting stats. Understandable. When you control the Senate, not much can happen to stop a vote, or even make it a losing vote.
     
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    You're getting Obamacare confused.
     
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    This is why I think a 'conservative' court is good for the country. The purpose of the Supreme Court is to act as a check to the legislative branch. This is true regardless of whether said legislation is liberal, conservateve, etc. The Court has lost sight of its actual purpose. Ironic, and scary, given that they are the very branch that is there to understand and apply the Constitution (not to get stuff passed, but to prevent stuff that shouldn't be passed, per the Constitution). It is the role of the legislative branch to put forward legislation to get stuff done. It is the role of the Court to act as a check to that.
     
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    Today "conservative" doesn't mean "Constitutionally conservative" it means "use culture wars to hand wave corporations having undue influence in our legislative process". So your premise breaks down when you actually analyze what "conservatism" means.

    I mean this is self evident in the fact with how many Constitutional norms the current "conservative party" president breaks while his "conservative base" cheerleads.
     
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  11. ROXRAN

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    True lol
     
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    It’s 5-3 now. 5-4 vs 6-3.

    5-4 is more of the status quo of the past decade.

    6-3 means ACA could be dead as early as 2021, Roe being reversed is a real possibility, Corporation enjoy more benefits while workers get less. Gay rights possibly on the downhill. Majority do not want to see any of these.

    Most independents by nature of being independent would want a balance, not a partisan Court. Prefer 5-4 over 6-3.

    5-4 is still a majority for conservative. Likely acceptable loss to conservative.

    6-3 is viewed as a disaster for progressive. A big loss for liberals.

    There is thus likely more energy on the left this time, not like last time when conservative could loss their majority that they had for years.

    In poll before Ginsburg's death, voters preferred and trusted Biden to select the next justice by double digit point. "Voters who either weren’t backing a major-party candidate or who said they could still change their mind said they thought Mr. Biden would be better at choosing the next justice by an 18-point margin, 49 percent to 31 percent. And voters who said they weren’t “almost certain” or “very likely” to vote said they thought the same by an even larger 52-23 margin."

    Covid has been at the forefront and the Senate has stalled in passing a 2nd package for months (since April). Not doing that while jumping on this as an emergency send a message that they don’t care about people but their political views and power. Swampy.
     
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    Btw, pleasantly surprised from Trump addressing RBG's death with no political rhetoric and just praising her life. Low bar but that was very good on his part.
     
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    If you had no ill intention, you wouldn't have wished that her last thought was something that might be unpleasant for her. Wishing that on someone is exactly ill will.

    You made your post. I believe it. But you are having a hard time admitting what you did.
     
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    Apparently @ROXRAN doesn't abide by "telling it like it is". His dear leader would be upset except he probably does the same thing all the time: "I don't say what I mean".
     
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    Different times. Democrats are more socialist/Marxist inclined than in the times of Obama or at least they don’t hide it so much now,

    the divide in this country is because it’s about the furthering of agreed capitalism which the democrats once agreed with to a large extent. Now it’s the Marxist BLM mob rule mentality that represents the left and people are sick of it. Barr correctly stated BLM cares what for maybe 12 people on average of blacks that are unarmed and shot? They certainly don’t care about black lives at large just a tiny ultra tiny fraction of supposed injustice or blatant injustice ,.lthe lines blur , they don’t care There are prolly close to that many non blacks so it’s not about the racism when a perp is running at you with a knife, the perp gets shot by police and there is still riot and calls to defund ..

    Or they can’t use riot controls against a riot due to a liberal mayor call? Who wants to be a police officer these days with zero support, zero common sense leadership by local governance I.e Wheeler , etc ?

    they would do anything they could if able to so the republicans need to keep that in mind and if they can they should
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    It's funny. You claim that BLM only cares about Police shooting blacks and not black lives in general yet then you also claim they are "Marxist". That implies that they care about the 1000% wealth gap between the median white and black household as I don't know why "Marxism" would be a tool to combat cops killing unarmed black men.

    See the actual disconnect here is mostly fueled by insincerity and ignorance. BLM believes black on black violence is a symptom of poverty as more desperate people are more prone to doing things like joining gangs for supplemental income. While Barr uses rhetoric that suggests that "black on black crime" is inherent with black people that only can be addressed through "culture change" suggesting that black people are just culturally more prone to violence rather than the more reasonable cause of there being a 1000% wealth gap purely determined on racial lines.

    Also, your simplistic mindset means that we can't have a conversation about socialism being a solution to alleviate some of capitalism's faults while still having a capitalist market in tact.
     
  18. ROXRAN

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    Ok fair...wishing something unpleasant Is not nice but in no shape or form did I want anything but for her to be at peace with that.

    reality is she took a gamble and wanted the position at a strategic risk given her health. I am sure she had thoughts before she died that she would be replaced by Trump and I certainly didn’t revel in the thought as being torturous but rather acceptance

    Reality is sometimes unpleasant but I stand by what I said as a basis of accepting reality certainly
     
  19. ROXRAN

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    Simplistic mindset? Interesting. Almost sounds like a put down. But I will overlook this Incendiary rhetoric as a byproduct of your PTSD.

    Did you know why the creator of Winnie the Pooh created the characters? It’s interesting and yet a simplistic story Which I deduce why you chose the caricature as your own
     
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    Didn't I hear you said mail fraud is a reality? It's not a reality. It hasn't happen. It likely won't happen. It's a theory, conspiracy one, that's being pushed. But you said it's a reality, right? If you really think that's a reality and you are so into reality, you better check and ensure your reality is accurate.... just saying.
     
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