Meanwhile, in Sweden, deaths have effectively stopped, with no lockdown ever! The lockdown likely didn't help anything globally. The key was protecting the vulnerable. For the rest of the population, covid is a non-event. However, if you didn't protect the vulnerable, you'll get similar results to Andrew Cuomo in NY.
Forget the NBA review center, we are gonna appeal Scott Foster decisions all the way to the Supreme Court!
You are ****ING COWARD. Your BOY LIED and now almost 200,000 people have DIED. Keep Licking his NUTS. b****.
You are a fool. The reason it works in Sweden is because people and the businesses that are open take socially distancing very seriously. There is also a generous social safety net with guaranteed pay and universal healthcare. Additionally, while life is way more normal than in the States, it is still not fully open and there are no gatherings of 50 or more people. Sweden is literally everything that you do not want the US to be yet you cherry-pick it as an example of how the US should manage COVID. Here, COVID isn’t a political topic and is managed by scientists and healthcare professionals and what Sweden is doing would never work in the States because of imbeciles like you. What pisses me off the most is that you are an intelligent person that intentionally acts like a schmuck.
Actually Swedish cities are much denser than most American cities, public transit is much bigger than in the US, and the very large immigrant community lives together in multi-generational homes. All factors that would increase the likelihood of spread. In the US we were told to trust science and lockdown. Yet despite this, US deaths likely will surpass Sweden’s on a per capita basis. Your rambling about things like guaranteed pay has nothing to do with covid and is simply you trying to show people that you think you know something about Sweden. It’s my view that the lockdown didn’t prevent huge percentages of Americans from getting covid. Just look at California as an example - one of the strictest lockdowns in the US. It didn’t help.
Uh, I live in Sweden. My wife is on her way to pick our kids up from school in Stockholm so yeah, I would say that I know more about it than you do. Guaranteed pay has a TON to do with it because when people even remotely feel like they could be getting sick, they stay home and get 80% of their pay from the government. This encourages people to stay home and not spread the virus. People in the US go to work (when they have jobs!) even when they know they are sick because they have to choose between doing the right thing and being able to put food on the table. It’s the same for your kids. If one of your kids has a running nose or a cough, you are required to keep them home and the parent that stays home gets 80% of their pay for those days. Again, not an option in the US for 99% of people. Universal healthcare means that when people feel sick they don’t have to balance going bankrupt versus getting checked out and/or treated. Testing is accessible to everyone, free, and you get results within 24 hours. Sweden has a comprehensive plan that relies heavily on it’s social programs to allow the populace to do the right thing. It wouldn’t work here without it.
It didn’t “work” as they hoped for in Sweden. Sweden kept thing open to save its economy. Relative to others similar economy, they didn’t do much better, yet their death is way worse. “When the coronavirus hit Europe, Sweden did not lock down its economy. With the death toll exceeding that in neighboring countries, the epidemiologist behind Sweden's strategy is expressing regret.” Sweden strategy was not based on reaching herd immunity either, but more of trying to reach a level where it starts to slow down. They are a pretty small country and they might have achieved some of that but at a much higher death rate then their neighbor. Ps. I think the person you are responding to would said it’s a success even if 20% of the population died to reach some sort of herd immunity (to be clear, that hasn’t and isn’t happening anywhere). https://www.npr.org/2020/06/06/8714...-coronavirus-strategy-regrets-high-death-toll
That article is over three months old. They got off to a shaky start but it is very much under control now. I suggest doing your own research to come to your own conclusion but I'll leave you with this: Average cases per day have hovered around 200 for the last two months and they continue to trend down. Deaths have been in the single digits during that time and for the last month, there have been about 3 or fewer deaths daily. Link to numbers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ Article from Reuters discussing Sweden's COVID strategy and results: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...owest-rate-since-pandemic-began-idUSKBN25Z2TM
It didn't work as originally planned but they turned things around quickly -- we are talking about a small country that is much more disciplined than the US of course.
Well that is hilariously stupid. I couldn't guess what the stupid response would be but "only the vulnerable" and "nonevent" did not occur to me. How many teachers? how many doctors and nurses? how many policemen? We should have protected The Rock, he was just so apparently vulnerable. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/entertainment/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-coronavirus/index.html
lovely.. funny that archipelago at times reminds me of conroe /huntsville with all the trees and water. lucky you. good to have perspective on the ground from sweden...hope to follow your posts.. in one of my fantasy timelines I summer in sigtuna instead of this hot ass quarantine. i guess here at least im in the 'woods' of woodlands. so your lady is swedish? bravo edit: my family is in maarsta sigtuna is nicer lucky you
I edited my post to clarify that it has slowed down prior to seeing your post. My two claims are they have higher death and their economy didn't do much better. It's not always easy to compare nation to nation due to culture and land, but Denmark is close by and has similar culture. “It seems some numbers need to be repeated. Sweden has 5,837 dead in COVID-19. A proportion five times higher than Denmark.” The higher death rate itself is what lead to them claiming a lower risk of spread. “Our strategy has been consistent and sustainable. We probably have a lower risk of spread here compared to other countries,” said Jonas Ludvigsson, professor of epidemiology at Karolinska Institutet, adding that Sweden likely had a higher level of immunity in the population than most countries. That "risk" is still to be known with fall coming - it depends on how much and how long the "immunity" last. The two claims still stand - higher death and their economy didn't do much better. After the "2nd" wave, if there is one, we might revisit this and said, yeap, "immunity" did help Sweden vs neighboring countries if deaths start climbing much faster in Denmark for example vs Sweden, or no. Still to be seen. Agree or not, Sweden did have a strategy and was open about it. Their gov didn't lie to their public about the risk and danger. That's very different from what has and is happening in the US.
