It is just amazing how desperate contented moderates are for good old boring Joe Biden to usher in the good old days when we all believed in the American Dream and as Michelle Obama says she shared the same values as George Dubya Bush.
No, right now our democracy is at risk of ending. Whatever the problems were 4 years ago, they sure beat living in a semi-fascist state. If you don't get that, I feel sorry for you.
Tricky. If he finds out you dobbed him in, he might get ugly. I have family in the house including children. If he took off on a trip, I would turn him in. Especially if I thought he was crazy enough to actually kill.
You obviously don't get what I was saying and only read "Bernie Bernie Bernie". The point is, yes it's maybe cheesy to say, but Democracy (the power of "We") is what is important to get back to. The Trumpers turned to a messiah figure they wanted to give ultimate power to because they no longer believe in Democracy. The left must resist the temptation to also give up on Democracy in a way that suggests tearing down & reshaping the country in the light of a messiah figure of the left. I do NOT think that Bernie supporters have an equivalency to Trump supporters in this way, but the same fundamental grievances about giving up on Democracy are prevalent on both sides. I personally think the best thing for the country would be an outside in approach. Meaning the outside activist and citizen groups shape the policy. Not inside out where one man shapes the government around what he wants at any given moment. Biden is no messiah... that's kind of the point. You even mentioning that I or "moderates" feel that way just shows you either didn't read what I said, or just don't get it.
I don't think there's a good chance he's an actual potential murderer, but when you brag about those things, you are basically saying you are ready to kill human beings. Even if I believe he's full of it, someone articulating that should never be normalized which I think it has unfortunately. I personally think he's just another guy that has the guns and ammo as a way to feel a sense of empowerment. I think men of my generation have major emotional issues. The book and film Fight Club were both extremely popular because they speak to that emotional distress all men relate to. When those guys put on their camo, a bullet proof vest, lock in a 100 round magazine & jump in their truck with the Trump flag flying, that is their way of tapping into their inner Tyler Durden in their minds IMO. Where that film and book fall short though IMO is really showing the audience the ramifications of being Tyler Durden. Yes one guy dies, but in the end he still gets the girl, is not in jail, and his cult members still think he's the greatest thing ever. So I personally think my neighbor and most of those Militia Proud Boy Trumpers are just tapping into that deep seeded emotional distress, but I do believe that given any number of circumstances, yes their actions could lead to death or murder... it just depends on the circumstances that they are put into. When you believe you are the hero of your own story, then killing for a good cause then .... yeah... "If you want to make an omelette you have a break a few eggs."
I don't understand? If Trump is elected he will take up arms in support? It Trump is not elected he just does what?
Sorry ... no he believes there will be riots on a massive scale and he will need to be activated to save the country & his local community.
Ok that makes sense and in defense of your neighbor at least he is not talking about going on offense and is looking at a defensive posture. On that note I have thought about what happens if trump is reelected I to think there will by rioting and mass protest and a lot off people taking up arms. Can't really see people just shrugging it of with the temp of the country the way it is.
I don't know but I do know that people will definitely give up on America as a real Democracy. What is the outcome of that I really don't know. Probably a big protest, but in the end people have to live their lives. In Russia even people end up just accepting it, and doing what they can to feed their family & be happy. But yeah.... I think everyone will just assume that the Trump family will then never give up power & the government will only serve one man & his boot licker friends.
I think there will be peaceful protest but those will be hijacked at an even greater number and looting and violence will be prevalent. Some people just want to tear **** up and Trump being re elected will give them an excuse. I will say that I think the Kenosha shooting was tamped down some of that but I think that flame can be reignited. Can you imagine how Trump and his cronies will be gloating and spiking the football.
The womens march was peaceful because people still had hope in them being able to change the situation, but I do think that when all hope is lost... yeah bad stuff can happen. I think how Trump wins too dictates alot of the reaction. Race in America is still the big issue that really seems to spark the most outrage, and yeah I think even in a "fair" electoral college win, it'll just prove how the system is rigged to give white Americans all the power. If it's obvious that Trump cheated to win with the post office shenanigans, etc. or Russia hacked voting machines in Florida, etc. then yeah that'll also be freaking terrible. But as I said, I think giving up hope on Democracy doesn't necessarily mean endless riots, and violence. Right now Trumps Militias, and the parts of the National Guard that act in his behalf are doing so without the backing of the Army or Marines. If Trump wins, and there are bad riots, I just get the nagging suspicion there's nothing that can be done to stop him from calling in the military as a domestic police force. Even Trump will be able to get riots under control himself, but that'll come at a cost of America on the world stage being now considered no longer a Democracy, and would lead to a shift in alliances globally. So I worry less about what'll happen here domestically because that's easy to solve even for Trump, but it has DRASTIC outcomes on the global stage. NATO, and our other allies just have no way to handle America no longer being an actual Democracy. There's no way to tell how that shakes out.
Trump is our worst enemy domestically and abroad. Screw Trump golf and hotels using his Presidency to lure in big donors or loyalists who want a deal, or a job in his Executive Branch. The Grift needs to end. The cries of white suburbs being in threat if people of color move in needs to end. The racist stirring up of his so called Patriots needs to end. This country has become frustrated, pissed off, and full of people crying out for help. Trump doesn't hear those cries. He stirs the pot, twists the stories, and praises the worst of the worst
It is just amazing how discontented Bernie Bros will do more to help Trump, again, wittingly or no, because they would rather keep reaching without success for that American social paradise while Trump burns down what is left of our country. Unless you think a purer form of government will rise like the phoenix from our ashes? Ain't nobody excited about Biden, but we won't jump from Mussolini to, say, Medicare for all and abolishing the o-li-gah-chy (the latter I agree with but one battle at a time).
Agree in part but I also think a lot of guys that go out there in there big pickup trucks with US flags and guns are showing that they are not going to put up with the bullshit they see from rioters and fools burning and looting. If they decided to move into my area I would be prepared to defend my family. As far as these rioters are concerned, you see a lot of criminals involved and of course a liberal smattering of young idiots. I don't know if they are bored, or just want to have fun or "stick it to the man" or even if there is some deeper political agents involved, but one thing is for sure, it is not peaceful and therefore needs to be shut down.
How is jumping in a truck with US flags and guns defending your family? Especially when a lot of those people are travelling elsewhere?
Exactly. My neighbor for instance thinks he's defending his family now at home with all those magazines & guns, but the moment he jumps in his truck and goes to a city like Portland, it's not about defending his family anymore, and now it's taking aggressive action. Why these Proud Boy types do what they do is subjective because we can't interview or psycho analyze each and every one, but my opinion based on what I know is that this is more about empowerment & serving their emotional distress. I can say this because I am a middle aged white dude myself. I get that you need to serve that alter ego sometimes. Normal life is depressing. I feed that alter ego by pretending I'm a rock star when I jam out with my buddies, or pretend I'm a pro-surfer when we go to Costa Rica. I don't pretend to be Chris Kyle on a rooftop saving America from scary terrorists. But again that's my opinion based on who I know. I mean doesn't every boy growing up play with GI Joes?
