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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. generalthade_03

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    Bro, don’t let the fake news fool you about what Trump said this and that about our vets and our soldiers. I wrote a long retort to soyboy Sam about my own personal experience with the VA healthcare systems under Trump on the other thread
     
  2. Xenon

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    It's time you faced the truth that Trump considers you a loser. You are simply a tool to him like all his supporters. This is who he has always been and always will be. Remember, he tells it like it is. Right?
     
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  3. generalthade_03

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    Respond to my own personal story then, no need to hear it from the fake news source.

    The VA healthcare has made a huge improvement under Mr Trump, I just went for my checkups this week.

    I don’t listen to fake news, people with an axe to grind, people trying to sweet talk to you. I’m a results oriented guy and right now I’m seeing a big change with the VA under Mr Trump.

    You can’t refute crap to what I have to say because your only source of news is from the fake news media.

    I can’t speak for the other vets here and that’s why I want to hear their personal experiences with the VA healthcare recently.
     
  4. IBTL

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    lol i like you but i missed that one. im prepping for this game.

    you think its fake yet it comes up over and over and im too lazy to find the list i put before here about trump and military....its a long list along with this new op piece. you are saying you dont believe multiple sources? or you just dont care or what?
    the only way I can accept your trump vote is that you are a single issue voter on abortion and as pro lifer in the binary world trump represents a maybe instead of a hard no from biden. then i get it.

    then there is the reality that i cant just take your word for it btw since ive heard p***y grabenstein talk myself. i mean im inclined to agree with you but then we would both be wrong
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    I assume that Kelly or former joint chief chair Dunford (who both went instead of Trump) is the senior official that Fox News is citing when they confirm the Atlantic article here.
     
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  6. IBTL

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    so to be clear - confirmed by fox

    @generalthade_03
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    Confirmed by @realdonaldtrump , who is on a roll lately.



    He earlier this week broke the news that he suffered a " series of mini strokes " last November, after which he was rushed to Walter Reade.

    Pulitzer Committee, are you listening? This guy Trump is the hottest name on the Trump beat right now.
     
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    So, besides Bolton and possibly Sarah HS, who are the other 8 “on the record” sources.

    Also, Bolton said that he didn’t hear it, but the President might have said it.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Anonymous sources from a partisan magazine - you guys are really changing hearts and minds! This is gutter politics at its worst. Lies and trying to assume the moral high ground... when your candidate gropes young girls, sexually assaulted Tara Reade, voted for the Iraq War, has a decades-long plagiarism problem, and literally authored the crime bill that put so many black and brown men behind bars.

    To try to claim moral superiority when this is your candidate? Well, it just lacks self-awareness. Voters are smarter than Democrats think. Which is why the Democrats' scams are so easy to identify... like this one.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    im down with harden breaking lebron and ad ankles over and over...oops wrong thread..

    edit: too bad benefit of doubt is lost on trump. 50 /50 balls like this the possession arrow says lie by trump sorry
     
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  13. generalthade_03

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    Bro, all I can tell you is my personal experience with the VA under Mr Trump. I’m a pragmatist, I don’t listen to sweet talkers or just taking the words of someone that I’m supporting at face value. For me, words and deeds have to go together. Under Obama as well as previous administrations, the healthcare side of the VA was terrible, our vets were treated like crap and they were dying.

    Mr Trump made a promise to our heroes to clean up the VA and so far he has been delivering. I just went for my appointment a couple days ago to test it myself with all the good things I’ve been hearing about the reform. I was not disappointed from the initial appointment to finally meeting my pcp.

    I was impressed and I’m not the kind that can easily be impressed, I’ve been around the blocks one or twice.
    You know November is coming and they’re gonna do everything they can to take down Trump with round the clock stories like these.

    They have been doing it to him the last 4years and so far it has not worked, brace yourself for some more until the elections.
    For me it is really simple, while Obama and Biden did not give a crap about our vets, Mr Trump does make a difference for us, and to me that means more than any fake stories with anonymous sources to sway public opinions. Peace bro!
     
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  14. SamFisher

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    Trump not helping himself, but the guy has suffered strokes and isn't working at full mental capacity for some time now. Also even when he was at full capacity, it was less than impressive.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Good news all. Fox News is gone. Trump arguing with the fake news media... Breitbart. Take that COVID19



    Let's hope Walter Reade has their top neurosurgeons on call this weekend.
     
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  17. Invisible Fan

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    This full article is a mess and looks like a back and forth feed. Seemed like a good source to keep track of the tit for tat.

    Et tu Fox News?

    ONAN still loves me...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ld-Trump-called-WWI-Marine-heroes-losers.html

    Donald Trump demands Fox reporter Jennifer Griffin is fired after she confirmed he called US servicemen 'suckers' - as Melania backs him up and says 'This is not journalism, this is activism'




      • Trump called US soldiers killed or injured 'losers' and 'suckers', senior administration sources told the Atlantic
      • The Atlantic says Trump cancelled a visit a US war grave because he was worried about his hair in the rain
      • The president was expected to attend a ceremony at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in Paris in 2018
      • He reportedly asked: 'Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers'
      • He also allegedly referred to 1,800 Marines who died in the WWI Battle of Belleau Wood in France as 'suckers'
      • He reportedly asked 'Who were the good guys in this war?'
      • Trump is also alleged to have said he didn't understand why the US would intervene on the side of the Allies
      • The president allegedly said those who served in the Vietnam were 'losers' as they failed to dodge the draft
      • Fox News and the Washington Post have confirmed the reporting, while AP has confirmed part of it
      • The White House mounted furious pushback, hammering the piece for using anonymous sources
      • Melania Trump on Friday said the story was false and 'activism'
      • Trump suggested that John Kelly - who has remained silent on the report - was a source for the 'false' story
      • Trump also said Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin, who confirmed the Atlantic story, should be fired

    Donald Trump has demanded that Fox News fire a reporter, after she confirmed a report in the Atlantic which suggested he had mocked and belittled war veterans.

    The politically explosive report, published on Thursday, claimed that the president called U.S. military heroes killed in battle 'losers' and 'suckers' – and turned down a trip to visit U.S. war dead in France due to the rain.

    The president gloated in a tweet that the Fox News story 'did not confirm the most salacious part' of the Atlantic's report that he had called First and Second World War veterans 'losers' and had skipped visiting the graves of American soldiers because he didn't want the rain to ruin his hair.

    Damningly, she could confirm that Trump had reportedly called US Army veterans 'suckers', had not wanted wounded soldiers included in military parades because 'it was not a good look' and had not wanted to honor American war dead at Aisne-Marne Cemetery outside Paris.

    Fox News, the Washington Post and Associated Press were among the news outlets to all confirm the Atlantic's reporting on Friday.

    Trump was so enraged by Fox News' reporting, confirming the story, that he demanded the journalist Jennifer Griffin be fired.

    Breitbart, the far-Right, Trump-supporting website, claimed that Trump was vindicated because Griffin only reported her sources as saying Vietnam veterans were 'suckers' - unlike the Atlantic, which reported that he'd said WW1 veterans were 'suckers'.

    Breitbart also claimed victory for Trump because Griffin was unable to independently confirm the Atlantic's story that Trump cancelled a planned trip to a war cemetery in Paris, in 2018, because he was worried about his hair. Griffin was only able to confirm that he didn't want to go and chose not to.

    Melania Trump earlier on Friday evening joined the fray and denied the highly-damaging report, tweeting that it was untrue and brought shame on journalism.

    'TheAtlantic story is not true,' she said.

    'It has become a very dangerous time when anonymous sources are believed above all else, & no one knows their motivation.

    'This is not journalism - It is activism. And it is a disservice to the people of our great nation.'

    Her response came as Fox News independently confirmed all of the details in the Atlantic's report, with their national security correspondent, Jennifer Griffin, appearing on the network to say her sources had told her it was entirely true.

    Griffin said that she was told the president did indeed decide he didn't want to attend the rainy ceremony commemorating U.S. war dead in France.

    'The president drives a lot,' Griffin said she was told. 'The other world leaders drove to the cemeteries. He just didn't want to go.'

    Two former senior officials also confirmed to her that he disparaged war dead.

    According to Griffin, one of the former senior Trump administration officials told her: 'When the President spoke about the Vietnam War, he said, "It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker".'

    Griffin's sources confirmed that they heard Trump say he didn't want 'wounded guys' in military parades, adding: 'Americans don't like that'.

    A senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump's comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.

    The Washington Post also confirmed the Atlantic's reporting, and noted that Jim Mattis, the former defense secretary, and John Kelly, the former chief of staff, did not respond to requests for comment on Friday.

    Other retired Marine generals who have worked with them, including Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr. and Gen. John R. Allen, also declined to comment.

    On Friday evening Trump speculated that Kelly could have been the possible source of the report.

    Trump did not assert definitively his belief that Kelly was the source of the report – which he also asserted may have come from made-up sources.

    But he accused the former top aide of bad mouthing him.​
     
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    You're down to OANN, Facebook, and alt-right blogs for your non fake news sources.
     
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    Don't forget the man, the myth, the legend himself.

    You write this as a joke, but many of these dudes take legitimate pride in their sources being youtubers, they are not sheep, they are independent thinkers untainted, untamed by the corrupt mainstream media.

    Also, where the hell are all the #CancelCancelCulture warriors at?
     
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  20. AleksandarN

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    You forgot to add he was touched by god
     
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