"Washed up" Chris Paul is the best clutch player in the NBA and will be in All-Star Game this year

I’m not sure what the cap situation in OKC is but if they can nab Joel Harris, retain Gallo and some vets for toughness to help the young guy out they could be very good.

To me they are a top 4 team in the west. Along with us and the two la teams I believe Okc is the 4th best team in the west. Get a legit 3 man who can shoot and they will be good.

paul
SGA
Joel Harris?
Gallo
Adams


Then you have Schroeder and Dort off the bench. That’s why they could use some vets off the bench.

 

Another early exit and another loss delivered to him by harden. He’s built for fishing season. Good riddance and goodbye.

 

for $40M, i wish he had the warriors on edge last year.

 

For all his shortcomings Harden still had a higher +/- than "born for the clutch" CP3 last night.

 

@Jontro

 

Well first of all it's not like Cp3 has the image of reliability either. Yeah I know he had that "built for this line" but at the end of the day he's just not good enough to be a max player, not anymore. Yeah ok, maybe he isn't "WASHED" but he also isn't a max player anymore, 16 and 8 is what you expect from a 20-30M player, not a 40M player. Cp3 had a great game 6 and game 7, but he was trash the first 2 games so it's not like he was Mr. Reliable even in this truncated season and with 6 mos of rest. CP3 has been a choker as well so why make it just about WB? If you think WB just offers glimpses then that's the same for CP3, Cp3 has been a massive choker with and without Harden. Lob City didn't do ****, played like trash vs GSW and now he even missed the go ahead floater tonight.

This isn't about WB in a vacuum it's about CP3 or WB. What ever reasons you wanna tell yourself for how or why it happened WB is just better than CP3 at this stage of their careers.

As for the draft capital, it's just 2 low first rounders. We are in WIN NOW mode sure it would be nice to get 2 first rounders but if that's the price to upgrade from Cp3 to WB then ok that's worth it. Those other 2 first rounders are conditional draft picks only happens if the Rox are not in the lottery. Considering Rox would be in full rebuilding mode after the Harden era I doubt those other 2 picks go to OKC at all. Just do research before you talk about all that draft capital SMH.

 

It's hard to put more talent around him cuz he has a max deal. If he took less money no way Morey would've traded him away. That's the choice he made money over rings if he wants a ring later on he can sign vet min and go play with Lebron and AD.

 

He is still under contract he ain't going anywhere till he becomes a UFA. With his max contract I doubt any contender wants to trade for him either cuz they can't afford him, maybe Elton Brand trades Simmons for him and Gallo or something lol. His only option is take a buy out and then forfeit the rest of his money to go sign with a contender if he doesn't wanna wait for his deal to expire.

 

2019/2020 season

Win shares
Westbrook : 4.2
Paul : 8.9

Value over replacement
Westbrook : 1.8
Paul : 3.5

Espns Wins added
Westbrook : 9.03
Paul : 12.0

538s wins added
Westbrook : 2.4
Paul : 8.0

Come on man. I get it. One guy is on our team. One guy is no longer on our team. Doesn’t mean you have to ignore reality.

I get it. The trade was made for non basketball reasons.

Paul was better than Westbrook this year. He was more healthy than Westbrook this year.

Do my research?

Quit living in fantasy land.

Those draft picks mean something. And paying Westbrook an extra year at 45 million means something. Especially since he injured himself in year 1.

Paul isn’t worth 40 million. And neither is Westbrook.

 

THIS. The reason so many of us were okay with CP3 being shipped off is because he pouted last year when he didn't get his way regarding how he thought the offense should be run, and kept pouting throughout the bulk of our playoff run.

For someone who's so lauded as a leader, he sure failed to live up to that last year.

 

The season is already over you know what sunk cost is? You are harping about 1 season how long are their deals again? And this is a truncated season to begin with if we had the full 82 games WB's numbers would have normalized dude was coming off ACL.

You are the one who is ignoring reality here and living in fantasy land. Look I get it I have you marked as a CP3 lover for life along with @YOLO. I'll be sure to remind of this debate over the length of their deals. As far as I'm concerned it's a wash this year WB came up big this game covered for Harden's shitty night. Meanwhile CP3 had Dort going for 30 still lost the game. Look you want reality? Houston won with WB and OKC lost with CP3 that's the freaking reality. WB going to WCF CP3 crying over his missed floater, that's the reality. That's what Cp3 has been doing every post season his entire career, crying over what might have been dude only tasted WCF when he got carried by Harden, every post season has been a disappointment as his opponent this time around I'm glad to see this year is no different.

Paying WB an extra year at 45M is worth it when you realize he'll be the same age as CP3 is today. You are right both prob aren't worth 40M. But WB still a massive upgrade over CP3 and that's not even taking into account the non bball related stuff. Just his positive influence alone on increasing pace and getting Harden to stop ISOing the ball 20 secs of each possession is a big deal already.

 

Good riddance to crybaby Paul. Wish he didn’t score 12 points a game or whatever it was last year in the playoffs. Built for it my ass

 

This is what I don’t get. What is it about this guy that makes some people here want to not honestly analyze what’s happening?

There is zero. ZERO sane rational way to argue that this season was a “wash”.

Westbrook came up big in this game and saved Harden’s shitty night? In what world?

Net rating in game 7
Harden : +11.5
Westbrook : -5.5

Net rating in 4th Q Game 7
Harden : +26.5
Westbrook : -42.9

Westbrook as was often seen this season got on the floor and what happened? We started losing. The facts are irrefutable.

Harden on the floor we win. Westbrook on the floor, not usually good for us.

Paul and Westbrook have two of the worst contracts in the NBA.

The sad thing is the older guy flat out outplayed the younger guy and was healthier.

And with Paul you are out of the terrible contract 1 year sooner. And you keep the draft picks.

I get that the trade had to be made for non basketball reasons. It’s the only logical way it could have. But it doesn’t mean we can’t fairly judge the results thus far and the grim outlook for the future based on it.

And I will add. I get it. Westbrook is “our guy” now. Paul is a b****. Nothing made me happier than him missing that last shot after running his mouth. But that’s not going to make me not honestly judge things,

 

Yea CP3 >>>>> WB

Its not particularly close.

That trade was at that moment an epic disaster, of Tilman's doing, and continues to be to this day.

 

Regarding CP3 being such a great on-court leader, all I know is that there's no way in hell Harden would've let anyone else on the team shoot a critical FT on a clutch-time technical foul call.

 

I can't imagine him giving up that much money, which is unfortunate. I would genuinely like to see him positioned on a talented team as more of a "1b" option that complements a strong supporting cast and superstar. Based on his game and the way it's aged well, he would excel in that situation. Thinking something like this years Bucks for example alongside Giannis and Middleton, or even the Heat with Butler and Co. I don't see how the Lakers happens given the constraints of the cap, unless Davis walks (which is a real possibility in my mind)

 

WB was one of the two who made Adams fumble that ball. He also played great deny defense that SGA call two time outs. In contrast Cp3 missed that bunny that would have either tied or won them the game. Remember that moment of Cp3 shouting at De Andre to shoot the ball? What about when Dwight and Harden ended the Lob City era? How about when Cp3 got that hamstring just when they about to beat GSW? Or last season when CP3 laid an egg whole series long vs GSW? Honestly speaking Cp3's career has not ended well every single time in the playoffs. People call him the Point God but he always ends up crying and choking come playoff time. That's something stats and net rating don't tell you. Rox got the first seed and better net rating than GSW what happened in Game 7? What about the historic Net Rating of the Bucks and Giannis absolute stat dominance over the league? What happened to those why are they down 0-2?


Can net rating account for that? Stats are just part of the picture they aren't the whole picture otherwise Rox would have won the ring by now. I call it a wash cuz this game 7 is what counted, Harden could have and has indeed carried the team the regular season. Why do we need to win harder in the regular season? What matters is in the playoffs and Cp3 has had a career chokign in the playoffs. In game 7 WB outplayed Cp3 when it mattered the most, WB made the heads up play Cp3 made the losing play. That's all there is to it. You can argue CP3 had great games 5-6 before choking game 7 but he also played like trash games 1-2, it evens out. WB only played 2 games so far, he played trash in game 6 but he made the winning play game 7. It evens out. You keep arguing about regular season like it means something bruh you don't win a ring based on regular season play.

Yeah with Paul you are out of the terrible contract 1 year earlier. So what? That also meant the end of the Harden era. Those picks are trash, if they aren't then guess what we get to keep them. Would you rather have 2 picks or extend the Harden era longer?

You keep saying judge the results fairly and objectively well the reality is you can't cuz there are still 3 years to go. If you wanna be objective then I take my chances on the younger and taller and more athletic guy than the older guy moving forward. I have no hate for CP3 but objectively speaking I think WB and Harden have a greater chance to win a ring than Cp3 and Harden even when they had no beef. That's just common sense players drop off steeply once they are over 35 and Cp3 is a lot smaller and more frail than players like Kobe or MJ or obv Lebron. You keep saying CP3 had the healthier season but WB just coming off a torn ACL. When Cp3 came of a hamstring injury he played like trash the whole season including the playoffs, WB at least looked great before he had a new injury Cp3 would've prob been down the entire season if he had to deal with both ACL and Quadriceps tear.So how is that objective and fair when you are isolating a year WB is coming off injury when Cp3 had a worse performance the previous season? LOL fair and objective my ass. You just can't hate to admit you are wrong about the trade so that's why you keep doubling and tripling down.

Look don't worry your pretty little head let's continue this discussion next regular season. But for the playoffs WB>CP3 so far. CP3 choked and going home, WB clutch and going to the next round. End of story.

 

Pouted? Just Shutup.

You don’t have to make shut up to dislike Chris Paul.
You were disappointed by his playoff run so you dislike him as a player.

just say that you passive aggressive, illogical, undermining woman of a poster.

Pouting? He was recovering from a lot of bad injuries and had a poor diet.

did you just say a technical FT shows he is a poor leader? You sound stupid.

 

Harden not getting a foul call and walking up the court letting the team score on hte other end more times than we can ount (not pouting)

CP giving us heart and demanding more ball movement = pouting LOL