Kenosha police shoots black man multiple times in his back in front of his children, declares curfew

7 times is excessive, the man should never have been a police officer. If they can't control themselves in difficult circumstances they should be fired.

DD

 

They may have to make some judgment calls, but they shouldn't base it off of amateur psychological profiling, which is fraught with racial bias. Especially when its a matter of using lethal force.

 

#1 he didn’t rape a 14 year old.

#2 it doesn’t matter if he raped a dozen people; no one thinks he is a good guy but that doesn’t mean the police can just let him walk away and then unload 7 times into his back.

Bluelivesmatter is made up of scumbags.

 

Oh ok, well since you said so then I guess case closed. This is exactly the immediate conclusion reaching without full thought @DonnyMost is talking about.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

The caller said the gun was probably fake, and the officer arrived in under 2 seconds he shot the boy. A little more time and restraint would have revealed that there was zero danger to the officer.

 

Dude the official report said he was not armed and he told the police that he had a knife in the car.

Educate yourself.

 

I haven't seen the official report. Can you link to it?

My understanding was he said he had a knife in his possession, which may be on his person or in his car.

 

What good does it do to legally punish a police officer who makes an honest, reasonable mistake?

I can't really see that doing anything but making the job so undesirable as to have no police at all.

You can MMQB the Tamir Rice case all you want, but given their training, I'm not surprised at the outcome.

Punishing that officer for doing what he was trained to do doesn't seem productive, but changing the training is a different discussion.

 

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/update-kenosha-officer-involved-shooting-0

 

Same as Crocs N' Socs, it's 100% their fault because their actions precipitated the event. A 'no knock' on an non-violent suspect? No announcement? (disputed), shots from outside of the apartment? Bad information that she lived alone?

shoddy, unprofessional police work got an innocent killed

 

The official report doesn’t say he wasn’t armed, just that there was a knife on the floor board on the drivers side where Blake was.

there’s literal video evidence of him holding what appears to be a kamarit(knife).

 

I'm not saying they need to be convicted necessarily. I'm saying they need to be held accountable. That could mean being fired, retrained, the whole department retraining, etc. It depends on the situation. If they make the wrong determination about a threat level they were wrong. And the whole department and many of those probably need to retrain about when it is reasonable to use deadly force.

The officer in the Tamir Rice case had already been released for being emotionally unstable prior to this Tamir Rice incident. If they aren't willing to take more than 2 seconds there is a problem.

 

I agree, but how can you prove these were Factors used in this circumstance

 

So you think Tamir Rice was a reasonable mistake?

Da ****?

Nobody is trained to pull directly up to a person who you believe has a gun and is a danger.

Nobody is trained to shoot somebody 2 seconds after arriving to the scene.

Sometimes you make no sense at all and just claim stuff that has no basis in reality.

https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story


Clark had studied all of the available evidence in this case—video, witness statements, forensic reconstructions—and he had prepared a report detailing his findings. He did not believe the officers acted reasonably, and he did not believe the shooting was justified. When he was called to testify, on December 7, he expected he would summarize those opinions, answer a few clarifying questions, then be dismissed with a polite thank-you for his time and effort.

The prosecutors reminded Clark, and the grand jurors, that the officers had responded to a 911 call about a black male with a gun in a park—an “active shooter,” they said, though no shots had been fired, there was no one nearby to be shot when police arrived, and the black male turned out to be a 12-year-old boy alone in a gazebo. Active shooter. The phrase was used repeatedly, Clark told me. “They had to be brave,” the pacing prosecutor, Matthew Meyer, said. “They were brave that day.” Or maybe they were reckless, which was one of Clark’s conclusions. Maybe if they hadn’t ridden up in a frenzy, the boy wouldn’t be dead. There’s case law about that, Clark started to explain, opinions that can help define whether force was used appropriately.


Meyer started pacing again.

A California Supreme Court case, Clark continued, explicitly held that a shooting should be considered in a context broader than the instant the trigger was pulled. That did not suggest a cop should be second-guessed back to his morning coffee.

But if an officer, through tactical incompetence or outright belligerence, created the circumstance that put him in fear for his life...

 

Thanks:

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.
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This doesn't say whether the knife was in his hand as he was walking to his vehicle. You could argue that by not including that detail in the report it means he was not holding the knife. But one could also argue that the report is only including 100% confirmed details of what happened, not what the officers believed to have happened.

 

that's a press release

 

So you think the official would leave out the fact that he was armed but include the fact he told them he had a knife in the car?

How does that make any sense?

 

From the Wisconsin DOJ.

 

What's your point?

The press release is by the police dept.

Dude up your game you are embarrassing yourself.

 

@durvasa asked for a link to the official report