1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
    GM in conjunction with another. company (starts with a V) and the govt. are in the process of delivering another 30,000 ventilators.
     
  2. Two Sandwiches

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2002
    Messages:
    23,136
    Likes Received:
    15,077
    That's great, but this article was from five months ago. Surely those patients' cases have already come to their finality, whatever that may be.


    This happened all over the country. Not just in Michigan. This was, if I recall correctly (could be wrong),before Trump was pussyfooting around for a couple weeks on that executive order, and merely threatening to use it.

    What's not clear, however, is the number of people that actually didn't get vents.


    I read a lot of things on the internet. I read of a few firsthand accounts around the internet. Some on Reddit, some second hand. Surely, it was happening.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  3. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    25,727
    Likes Received:
    22,490
    What I found offensive about this because it's so ignorant is the fact that if you are getting on a ventilator it means our health system has failed you, and it's likely too late to save your life unfortunately.

    Ventilators were in massive need at the very beginning when NY especially was ground zero. Now it should be no great victory that at least we have more machines to keep people alive a few days longer possibly. The victory should be in preventative measures, early treatments, and vaccine deployment strategy. The Great victory should be strategy to keep the workforce employed while measures are taken to get the virus under control.

    Trump is a massive failure here. MASSIVE. Literally everything that could go wrong went wrong, and worse. My god if he screws up the last remaining hope which is a proper vaccine deployment just imagine the catastrophe. A well functioning administration should be strategizing the deployment now... and most important thing will be messaging & education strategy so the American people have faith & knowledge that the vaccine just isn't another Hydroxycloroquine miracle cure placebo that will make kids grow horns.
     
    arkoe, Dubious, Nippystix and 2 others like this.
  4. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
    It might have happened, but I haven't seen it on MSM and that would surely have been splash/breaking news.
     
  5. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
    So who do we blame for the thousands of Americans dying each year from seasonal influenza?
     
  6. Two Sandwiches

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2002
    Messages:
    23,136
    Likes Received:
    15,077
    What might have happened? Patients dying because they couldn't get a vent?


    I've worked in hospitals for my whole career. I don't know of any hospital staff member that is going to call the media with a story that so and so died because we didn't have a vent for them. That's basically an automatic way to sink your career. That's why you have to read the tea leaves here, and it's not reported in MSM. It was happening though.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  7. Nippystix

    Nippystix Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2013
    Messages:
    1,515
    Likes Received:
    1,232
    It's a yes or no question.

    Let me copy and paste the question again for convenience:
    "...do you feel that Donald Trump's attitude and messaging had ANYTHING to do with several pockets of the population taking it lightly?"

    Please reply with a one word answer, either a "Yes" or a "No."
     
    deb4rockets and RayRay10 like this.
  8. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
    No.
     
    B@ffled likes this.
  9. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,971
    Likes Received:
    32,199
    RayRay10 likes this.
  10. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
  11. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,971
    Likes Received:
    32,199
    Still not answering my questions. Why not?
    The death trend is not downward by the way.
    The 3 day average of deaths was 12 on May 25th, 19 on June 14th, and 210 on August 27th.

    How is that down? Add that question to the list.
     

    Attached Files:

    #4971 deb4rockets, Aug 28, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2020
    RayRay10 likes this.
  12. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
    I beg to differ.
    What post # for your so important 3 questions?
     
  13. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,971
    Likes Received:
    32,199
    Differ what? That 210 deaths a day isn't more than 12?

    Here ya go, answer this.

    Trump last night's lack of social distancing and masks of 1,500 seated guests spaced 6 inches apart for his rally.

    My question was how do you defend him doing this during a pandemic? Shouldn't he ensure taking precautions to stop the spread at the advice of experts? Shouldn't he be setting an example for everyone to follow? Do you think this is reckless and careless? Does this seem like a man who cares if people are put in harm's way just to hear him speak?
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  14. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    God...not fit for Office

    And She sure hates Beaumont
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  15. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Messages:
    5,970
    Likes Received:
    6,977
    are we back to making assertions with no bases? What “experts”? Are they “experts” who issued the alleged “ reports” that rioters are predominantly white supremacists.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  16. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
    Are individuals not responsible for their own actions?
    Were these people temp. checked before admittance?
    Have you once criticized the large groups of rally goers where there are many people evidently not wearing masks?
     
  17. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    I think it's a pretty defensible opinion that if the President hadn't actively opposed the actions recommended by Dr. Fauci and most of the medical community, wore a mask himself early and promoted their use, the national infection rate and death count would be lower.

    But ever the narcissist, Trump had to deny that there was an issue in Trump's America, with deadly results.
     
    RayRay10 and deb4rockets like this.
  18. Wattafan

    Wattafan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    528
    This is interesting.
     
    B@ffled likes this.
  19. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    Because Kushner directed aid to red states and away from blue?
     
    RayRay10 and FranchiseBlade like this.
  20. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Messages:
    5,970
    Likes Received:
    6,977
    debatable whether it is interesting opinion. Let’s say it is.

    What it is not is an “expert”.

    Not does it even remotely discuss the question of What a Democrat president Would have done or where we would be in that scenario.

    This is an opinion piece saying media coverage has been unbalanced. Your assertion of what “experts” have said remains baseless.

    edit - the psychology of making making crap up is fascinating. Why do you feel compelled to cite non existent “experts” and “reports”.
     
    RayRay10 and deb4rockets like this.

Share This Page