The one thing we know is that we don't know. Right-wingers claim self-defense, left-wingers claim murder. That's why we have investigations, grand Juries and trials. If I were to hazard a guess, and why not it's harmless, I'd guess the DA wil charge him with murder and the defense will take a plea for Negligent Homicide, 10 years.
No it does not. How do not know if it was his friends shooting at the other people? You do not know who is who.
Here’s how intent is defined : if you could reasonably conclude that you were in danger of immediate physical harm, which would render the use of force a justifiable exercise of the right of self-defense. ..so let’s get back to the indicators that the shooter he was in danger of immediate physical harm. 1, hostile words and actions where the person shot screamed to be shot and had to be restrained while they were in a group .2. Throwing an object with hostility to injure as an intent 3. Chasing to intercept with aggressive movements at your body Any reasonable person under duress from these activities by a hostile individual would conclude they were in danger of immediate physical harm. Yes indeed
Did he have any anti-protester interviews? From most of what these armed militias say, they agree with first amendment rights but not looting and rioting.
Sometimes self-defense is justified even if the perceived aggressor didn’t actually mean the perceived victim any harm. What matters in these situations is whether a “reasonable person” in the same situation would have perceived an immediate threat of physical harm. The concept of the “reasonable person” is a legal conceit that is subject to differing interpretations in practice, but it is the legal system’s best tool to determine whether a person’s perception of imminent danger justified the use of protective force.
As a responsible gun owner I have studied self defense laws exhaustively. If I use my rifle or pistol I want to ensure that I have every legal interpretation of justification on my side should I unfortunately have to take a life and this is aspects of pure self defense from the footage and based on the footage I seen ..there were no retaliatory actions taken, for example, if he got up from the shooting the two main threats in the second shooting instance and started targeting those nearby, that would be retaliatory and null the self defense actions
Jesus christ man the video you supposedly just watched is from NYT reporter. It does clearly show the first shooter who is part of the group chasing the 17 yr old. Go watch the video and read the NYT thread
People protesting the police cant get help from the police. Business owners protecting their rented & insured property cant get help from the police. Love em or hate em, they cant help you. They look out for their own first and foremost.
You lose that right once you commit a crime, he was a walking Class A Misdemeanor. You lose that right when you walk into the situation willingly, with knowledge and forethought that tell you you are likely to be harmed. Could a black person walk into a clan meeting and assume he is under threat when they throw him out? Did everyone there had the right to shoot Kyle? Because that is the precedent you are setting. The next protest when the protesters show up with guns and the Boogaloos show up with there guns, who has the right to shoot first? They are both right in their under your assessment , both have a reasonable perception that the other is an immediate threat of physical harm.
Here's the thing: when white vigilantes show up with guns, the police toss them water, when the protesters show up with guns the police shoot them. I don't think that will stop their escalation though. And don't get me wrong, this isn't a civil war, the actual scale of all these skirmishes has been on a few square blocks. I don't think th general population wants anything to with the confrontation.
There are several videos and I saw none from a NYT reporter I posted a video that has all video of Rittenhouse from when he arrived at the scene. So could you provide this link?
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't all the video's of actions already in progress? I think the provocation was a kid with a gun amongst protesters.
