Kenosha police shoots black man multiple times in his back in front of his children, declares curfew

Common sense says your odds increase exponentially if you resist. Your call.

 

How can we be sure that the knife was in the car before he was shot, or, of it's location in the car when he was actually shot?


Police tamper with evidence all the time. Especially when it would make them look bad.

Color me a skeptic...

 

Common sense does not apply here. The police forces have been militarized due to excess arms from the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. We in effect have a generation of young adults who grew up playing call of duty and modern warfare being given military arms and being told through their whole life that it’s the police’s job to enforce the law by any means necessary including breaking the law.

These cops ****ed up. Big time. The community is raging. That rage is boiling over in destruction. It’s tragic. Lives and livelihoods are lost. Police and local leaders should be trying to deescalate, comfort and heal. But with the administration, the people get the sense that it’s open season for Blacks. They see Trump and his supporters using coded language dismissing their grievances. It’s not open season despite the dog whistles, but perceptions are stronger than reality.

Here is the most ****ed up take: this whole bullshit is politically advantageous for Trump republicans because the news plays the protests and riots and the Trump Republican line is he will make sure the cops are supported and this will be squashed. It doesn’t matter that Trump is a lying sack of **** or that he and his top supporters are complicit in this societal breakdown. The Nazis used these tactics in the 30s, so it’s not a new phenomenon in the modern era.

 

My response was to this:
“I have a Buck knife in my passenger's seat. Am I gonna get shot? Maybe. Hmm”

But it’s obvious that resisting usually ends up bad for the resistor. I don’t have stats to back it up, but I’d bet my house that I’m right.

Not sure politics play into it.

Yea. The cops fukked up. Absolutely!!

 

The US army had stricter rules of engagement for dealing with ISIS members than the police do with Black Americans. Case in point: the white 17 year old who KILLED with his AR15 was allowed to go without being killed by police. But this man was killed trying to resist or avoid being arrested and the justification after the fact is he had a knife in his car.
If he is a suspect and he is resisting: detain and arrest like you would a white person. If he is not a suspect, leave him alone. Let the courts decide if he is guilty and prescribe a punishment. He died innocent and he was killed by a cop.

 

Not sure if that comparison applies, the shooter had hands up and while appearing as a non threat. He seemed to be almost begging to be processed at that moment except the cops were at the moment unaware of the significance of this guy and more concerned at the location and securing the area ... after all even the rioters were armed not just with melee weapo but also pistols such as the guy with a chunk taken out of his arm So it wasn’t unusual to pass someone with a weapon

 

All these people were born here , and if you're talking about slavery, it was African tribal leaders who sold out their own people. Is that who you're angry with and why there's so much black on black crime?

 

You’re high if you think I’m a right wing trump supporter. I wear a Biden mask to the gas station everyday and I’ve been one of the most outspoken critics of the Trump administration on this forum. I’m also a huge supporter of BLM. Doesn’t mean I can’t analyze one particular case on a discussion thread. God forbid we have a rational discussion here. Miss me with the labeling

 

So who provided the market for the sell of African people into slavery?

 

Who cares if they were born here? The people that raised them were descendants of slaves or were subject to racist Jim crow laws. Generation after generation of oppression. You think that won't cause higher crime rates?

 

You have to let the hate for the African tribal leaders out of your heart. No matter how much it hurts, it doesn't justify constant acts of abuse, violence and drug use while never wanting to be held accountable. Successful AA's who aren't successful because of athletics or rap... will tell you the exact same thing. It's not rocket science.

Have you ever been to conflict zones predominated by minorities? You know what they tell me?
"Most of these guys just need to go. Don't try to save them, don't reason with them, they just need to go." And then in their ... 14th or 15th interaction with the cops, something happens, and it's the people who have never been around them who get offended.

 

So you can't or won't answer the question. Noted.

 

This is wrong. This is the problem and why sympathy from moderates has long left this issue (they are the ones who voted in Trump, not the far right who voted republican when Obama won). You justify violent crime and toxic mentalities based on things that happened before you were born. You think the UBI I push for will ever pass as long as this toxicity remains? Do you justify hate for other African Americans more because it was they who sold the slaves? What does that achieve?

 

Unless there's someone royal here, every white guy here has ancestors who were peasants.
Every minority was colonized.
Why should reparations only be given out to those who justify violence?
This is mental weakness that hurts marginalized groups even more. It's entitlement that doesn't help.

 

Is it wrong? you are the one that is saying that culture is passed down generations, who passes it down? Where did the "culture" of violence begin? Violence was/is a direct response to oppression.

 

So you still haven't answered the question. I get it. It's a question you aren't comfortable answering.

 

He is not resisting. He - was - walking - away - with - his - back - to - the - cops - when he was shot seven times.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...ob-blake-before-shooting-witnesses-2020-8?amp

 

The grappling happened at the end of the car minutes before. (For some ****ed up reason, 3 brawny cops were not able to subdue 1 lanky guy, taser and all.) He walked nonchalantly to the driver seat on the other side of the car. The cops followed him gingerly with his back on theirs, careful not to tackle or trip him down (WHYYYY?). When he opened the car door to DRIVE AWAY HIS KIDS from the tension, the cop shot him in the back. (No gun to reach, btw. A knife was found, making it more unlikely that he intends to "shoot it out", I mean stab them out, 1 knife to 3 guns, in front of his kids.

So yeah, are you disputing "He is not resisting. He - was - walking - away - with - his - back - to - the - cops - when he was shot seven times"?

 

Won’t find any argument from me that they should’ve tackled him. Just saying he is actively resisting arrest. Look, I don’t care about these cops. I don’t know them. They all need better training.

Only dog I have is looking at this from a liability/culpability perspective when this undoubtedly turns into a civil or criminal matter. Blake’s family will sue for damages....what happens here vs what happens with police policy moving forward are two different arguments. I sympathize though..it’s a toxic climate out there and people of color are getting screwed in many ways