[OFFICIAL] Republican National Convention 2020 thread

Since you are a Trump supporter, do the numerous violations of the Hatch act during the first two days of this convention concern you?

 

Why do you think that is?

 

Wait, so NOW you care about the children?

You didn't care about the kids when 20 of them were murdered in Sandy Hook, when the party you support didn't say a damn word about gun control, because they rather keep the power and finances the NRA provides them.

You didn't care about the kids when they were getting separated from their parents at the border. And were put in cages.

I hope you understand, just a little, that when you talk out of both sides of your mouth (i.e. be a hypocrite), you lose ALL credibility.

 

Not watching. Same **** they have been spewing since day one. Lies and more lies.

 

Generally I don't let a lot of this stuff bother me but the comment by the St. Louis couple really bothered me. There comment that "they want to abolish the suburbs because they want to do away with single family homes." is not just ridiculously factually untrue the outright bigotry underneath it is very disturbing.

I live in the middle of of one of those Democratic cities that keep on getting demonized by the Right. I live in a single family house with a front and back yard. I'm about a mile away from downtown. As someone who works in architecture and in urban planning I've heard arguments against the single family house but no one is seriously trying to do away with the single family house. I've worked with suburbs on projects that would increase density such as planning a town center with mixed use shops, condos, and row houses but there was never any discussion that the majority of the suburb would be single family houses. Same with in the city of Minneapolis, the most recent plan will allow building four plex units but the majority of the residential in this city is and will remain single family houses.

This wealthy white couple living in a gated community are appealing to bigotry that somehow not having single family houses will destroy a suburb and lead to all sorts of problems. Trump doesn't even dog whistle when he talks about that increasing density in suburbs will lead to the "bad people" coming in and threatening suburban housewives. Over the last 20 years there has been a condo boom with many new condos going for more than single family houses shows that poverty isn't defined by density. Further that we've seen a movement nationwide of older empty nesters many whom are white selling their single family houses move into condos in denser developments shows density isn't even about class or social standing.

 

Out of touch seems appropriate for that couples. Using them as the messenger for the Trump and Republican convention - either they are also out of touch or have an intention to scare certain American sh*tless.

This article explain why Trump suddenly went this route. Politics of fear.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/23/trumplow-income-housing-suburbs-400155?ocid=uxbndlbing

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Yet just a year ago, the Trump administration itself embraced a plan to use the federal government to push local governments, including in suburban areas, to overhaul zoning rules that prevent the construction of high-density apartment buildings. That plan was intended to address the increasing shortage of affordable housing for Americans that has spurred homelessness and sent home prices skyrocketing.

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Side note - due to covid, single home or home with a backyard seems to be trending. People are tried of being locked down without a backyard.

 

So, Trump is playing this "law and order" card.

But he does not respect the laws and have broken it. He is having a convention that is breaking the law right in front of our eyes.

Isn't "law and order" then really is about something else. It certainly isn't about following the law.

 

Law and order for the disenfranchised and underprivileged.

This route in human history always just leads to more violence. There has never been a problem of sporadic riots due to underprivileged citizens being solved through "law and order" in the history of mankind that didn't end with either complete genocide or violent revolution.

The only way to solve these issues is acknowledging the cries from these communties and that isn't going to happen under a Trump presidency.

 

Crenshaw gets a shot in the national limelight. Also looks like KellyAnne hasn't gone home yet.

 

Isn't Israeli-Palestinian's sporadic violent conflicts a modern day status-quo approach to continuing violence with no final solution?

Complete genocide or violent revolution seems much more remote here in the State (not that it's completely not possible).

I agree that a Trump presidency is much more likely to escalate AND spread the riots across America. I don't see them taking the genocide approach and I don't see them acknowledging the problems and working toward solution.

Trump "Law and order" is then increasing a risk of spreading the riots and violence. It ends up doing the exact opposite of what it claims. In fact, what is happening today with violence is indeed the beginning of "law and order" Trump (fed military pushback against protesters) at work, isn't it? We already have a preview of it and it didn't help but it has escalate and causes more violence.

To add - I go back to the point, what is "law" and order when Trump doesn't respect the law? A true "law and order" would not exceed the law and respect it. It would not send fed troops with no ID to push back on protesters, and borderline kidnapping people. It would not clear protesters out to have a "bible showing" photo-op in front of a Church. There is a sensible approach to "law and order" but it's needs to be within the law first and it needs to be constrained - riots and violence isn't acceptable, but protesters must also be protected and allowed the space to express their grievances. "Order" is possible then with respect and dialogue.... NONE of this is easy and it will take a long time, but I'm convince the wrong approach is Trump's "law and order" approach.

 

Why do I think he acts that way or why do I think the left reacts that way?

He's been attacked since day one by the media and the D.C. establishment. He's standing up to it and sometimes it's ugly. It's not the way I would choose to handle it, but honestly I don't think I could handle it.

I'm not going to go into the psychology involved in my second question. I'm sure I would be wrong anyway.

 

Yes why do you think such a large percentage of Americans have such a visceral reaction to Trump?

 

We all know he's not gifted with words....lol. (captain obvious eh?) What I've come to learn is that you can take the same set of facts and both sides will see them completely different. I don't know why that is, but I do know that is a true statement. Knowing that, I try to take that into consideration. And then there are times that the facts appear so completely cut and dry..... and then I'm B@ffled.

 

Start at 2:00 and David will tell you.

 

Since you are a Trump supporter, do the numerous violations of the Hatch act during the first two days of this convention concern you?

 

Obama was attacked since day one. Bush Jr was attacked since day one. Clinton was attacked since day one. Trump is unique in how he chooses to respond. I know you can argue the intensity of those attacks and that would be fair but if you look at Obama, what was throw at him was probably on par or even greater. He was a born Muslim from Kenya that is out to destroy America values.

I would said a person that is confidence and strong have no need to protect their own ego. External factors don't move them.

 

and for 8 years trump was his primary attacker. its so hypocritical for trump and all his sycophants to whine about how people are mean to him. trump was the leader of the birther movement who criticized obama at every turn. he even criticized obama for golfing so much, then he proceeds to golf even more than obama did.

trump fights with everyone, including members of his own party, gold star mothers, the pope, canada, ect. he is and always has been a belligerent *******. this idea that its unfair to call him out or criticize him is so pathetic.

he is president...being criticized comes with the job. stop being such whiny little babies about it.

 

Trump issued an executive order in June 2019 establishing a White House Council on Eliminating Barriers to Affordable Housing and appointing Carson — the only Black member of his Cabinet — as its chair. He directed the group to “address, reduce, and remove the multitude of overly burdensome regulatory barriers that artificially raise the cost of housing development.”

At a meeting the council held with housing industry representatives at the White House in November, Carson repeated his longtime plea that Americans abandon the “Not In My Backyard” mentality that lies behind the support for exclusionary zoning rules, according to attendees.

“Secretary Carson very eloquently made a solid case against restrictive zoning both on civil rights grounds and economic grounds, and really the entire White House economic staff was there in the room, nodding their heads.” said National Housing Conference President David Dworkin, a former Treasury official under both the Obama and Trump administrations.

 

Melania was fantastic. She was elegant, gracious and poised. It was a remarkable presentation by her and I expect that it will be remembered for a very long time.

Here is Melania Trump's speech, for anyone who would like to see it:

 

All I heard was crickets...before, during, and after.

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