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If You Vote For Trump You Are A Racist

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by htownrox1, Jul 20, 2020.

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  1. jo mama

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    many of his supporters are not racist, but instead dismiss his racism or look the other way. either way though, they are complicit.

    trumps game since he became a politician has clearly been to play into white grievances and the feeling among many (primarily older, non-college educated white people) that their version of america is being taken away from them by "others".

    banning muslims from entering the USA.
    limiting immigration from non-white countries.
    building a wall and calling mexicans rapists and drug dealers...worth pointing out here that trumps MAIN campaign promise in 2016 was that mexico was going to pay for the wall...how did that play out???
     
  2. Wattafan

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    Not quite correct as there is another option - you can vote conservative and be concerned that white people are continually branded as racist while black people seem to get a free pass.
    That my friend, is my biggest concern.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    You, or I should say the op-eds that you choose to read and share, have a massive blind spot in regard to this idea about delegitimizing people in politics and culture. In the America that is portrayed it is as though prior to 2016 the Right and the Left were having salon discussions and the GOP was Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. Do you remember the TEA Party? There were people calling Obama a Monkey and a Congressman yelling "You LIE!" at the President of the United States during a State of the Union. Remember when Mitch McConnell said the goal of the Republican Party was to make Obama a one term president? It wasn't addressing health care, the economy, the deficit, national security, it was defeating the current President.

    Now yes the Democrats and the Left have been dead set against defeating Trump but as I noted in another thread they have worked with Trump on things like Criminal Justice reform and in getting the Phase I and II Coronavirus relief packages passed. Pelosi and Schumer even offered a Trump a deal on wall funding in exchange for immigration reform that was sunk by Congressional GOP. Also if we're talking about following Constitutional Procedures this is the President who did Constitutionally dubious end runs around a Congress of his own party to get wall funding and to sell arms to the Saudi's. Among many things that were Constitutionally dubious. No recent president since Nixon has had less regard for the Constitution and possibly no President in history has shown such ignorance or public disregard of the Constitution.

    Also before I forget. I will note that while Bari Weiss and Andrew Sullivan have disputes with NYT and other media they are still very anti-Trump.

    I agree there are dangers of group think and dangers of intellectual suppression due to ideology and I've spoken about that. Maybe I should just spam op-eds from Mother Jones and the New Yorker., but yes there is reason for concern. That it's just a bunch of Marxists out there silencing people ignores the massive Rightwing echo chamber through things like Fox News and frankly publications like the Federalist that have largely surrendered intellectual conservatism to ally themselves to a movement that is dominated by Trump. Consider why things like the Lincoln Project exists. Why many of the Right's intelligentsia like George Will and Andrew Sullivan feel they no longer have a place in the current GOP and even Conservative movement. That should tell you that Cancel Culture ain't just a thing on the Left.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Nope. Trump has behaved in racist ways, encouraged racism, refused to denounce racism, posts videos from racists and supporters of his shouting racist things, and he is far from conservative and has enacted more socialist policies than anyone since FDR. So if you choose to vote for Trump, then you are obviously accepting of those things.

    The idea that you think black people get a free pass, may not be racist, but certainly shows a great lack of understanding and study on what happens in our society, education and justice system.
     
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    So you're going to show them what exactly? Don't call me racist or I'll vote for a racist? Lol
     
  6. Wattafan

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    So you brand someone else a racist in an attempt to validate your point?
    Well done.
     
  7. Nolen

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    The number one problem with this (and American dialogue on this subject) is how people define the word "racist."

    For most, it means a permanent, singular identity which can be one of only two things:
    - Racist: Consciously prejudiced and hateful for ever and ever.
    - Not racist: "I don't see color." Pure of heart, free of any prejudice. Forever.

    Neither of the identities above truly exist in anyone.

    We have to stop defining racist/not-racist as a permanent binary identity, and start discussing it as a broad spectrum of behaviors, words, and thoughts.

    Liking the president because he uses birtherism, wants to ban Muslims from country, calls a judge of Mexican heritage unable to do his job because of his heritage, tells brown-skinned American congresswomen to go back to where they came from, etc. etc. etc. on and on and on.... whether liking this is conscious or unconscious, it lies on the spectrum of racist thoughts and behaviors. It doesn't form a concrete racist identity around you forever.
     
  8. Master Baiter

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    Trump has a lifelong track record of being racist and has continued that trend to the present. If you vote for you him, you are condoning these practices and behaviors which, in my mind, means you are a racist too. You will not be able to convince me otherwise. You can also replace the word racist with classist, sexist, or homophobic and the statement remains true.
     
  9. Wattafan

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    Ah, the old race card yet again.
    Just because you brand someone as racist does not by default mean you are correct.
    That is kinda you know, racist.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    I didn't brand anyone a racist. I told truths about Trump but didn't even call him a racist. He has done racist things, posts videos from racist groups and people, posts videos of his supporters shouting racist slogans, and doesn't denounce them. So anyone that votes for that is okay with that kind of racism.

    I specifically said that you posted may not be racist.

    You are accusing me of things I didn't say while refusing to discuss the substance of what Trump has done, and the claim that you made.
     
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    Your biggest concern is that white people are branded as racists while black people seem to get a free pass?

    Your concern isn't the income inequality in the country, the erosion of personal freedoms...... not the level of violence in the country..... not the economy, not healthcare...... it is that a group of people that make up 10% of the population and own 3% of the wealth in the country are given a press pass on racism?

    Interesting.
     
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    Ok then you're just stupid and have a complete lack of self awareness.

    You literally just cited your concern is black racism. You're playing the race card. Show me the black racist here you are defeating? Is anyone who calls out the racist a racist themselves? Where does that place you then?
     
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    excellent contribution
     
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    but then again

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  17. FranchiseBlade

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    I think the praise is a bit exaggerated, but it does address the point that was made that you or at least the editorials that you post are selective and omit certain facts to gave a less than accurate presentation of issues.
     
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  18. jo mama

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    so people who vote for and support a racist do so b/c they are worried about being branded as racist?

    also, i LOL your notion that voting for trump = voting conservative. yall aint conservatives!
     
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    how could they not be selective? if some one selects something to post, that makes those posts selective. In that sense everything posted here by all posters is selective. you are criticizing something that is simply an empirical fact.
     
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    So because I didn't list my entire resume of concerns they are by default not my concerns? Lol.
    The race baiting in this country is out of control and until that is addressed, it will always be one step forward, two steps back.
     

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