The one specific play that I've painstakingly documented of all that Doris said, you know which one, Chris Paul's foul on Harden -- I still haven't seen you even comment on that. All you've said is a general "there's no conclusive evidence." You take the stance of "innocent until guilty" for Doris and then you push off obligation to substantiate to everyone else when you've watched the whole game as I did. Do me the favor of reading what I wrote on Doris' coverage of the CP Harden toss with 24 seconds left on the clock, and you let me know if she was biased on it or not.
I like Doris... I've heard her say a shitload of positive thoughts on Harden... So what if a few times she don't like his tendencies? I love the fact she calls this stuff out..Most of us here wouldn't stand Harden if he played on a different team.. He's great but his play is "b****y" times IMO..
it's not just pay and legacy, it's what the refs do. you can draw a clear line between media people b****ing about harden's ft's and the nba basically getting rid of all his cheap ft's but continuing to give those very same cheap ft's to guys like luka and dame. lillard got 9 ft's on 3 pointers yesterday (maybe more, i didn't see the whole game) on the "guy fighting over a pick and he bumps me and i throw up a crazy shot" type fouls or feel some contact on a drive and fling it up type fouls. harden basically invented those, then the league said they weren't giving those any more. fine, i agree they're kind of stupid and not really the point of basketball. but that narrative has taken it away from harden but allowed it to continue with everyone else. it's what allows kawhi and luka to trade competing ticky tack fouls on drives over and over again in their series, but then we watch harden get fouled on his first 2 drives with no call, harden get reached in on without the same ticky tack fouls, and harden get bodied by dort all day without a call (really, can you imagine dort doing this to kawhi and not just getting a couple of head snaps and quick calls for kawhi to get dort back on the bench?).
So I suppose you like Chris Paul's "DELAY OF GAME" "DELAY OF GAME" yell-outs too, and you also endorse Doris just sitting idly by NOT critiquing that while she hammers Harden for drawing fouls in the paint.
This is deja vu of a debate I had with a friend of mine last night. If people like Doris they claim she has no bias (or argue that everyone has bias so her bias doesn't count). I wonder if these people would also claim that Hubie Brown has no bias. Durvasa generally believes that when Rockets fans favor opinions that benefit the Rockets, they are being irrational. Anyone who picks against the Rockets is being rational. That's neither true nor untrue. Sometimes events are controversial (it's just the way basketball rules are written). There is no mandate for Rockets fans to appreciate a broadcaster adamantly taking one point of view, even if she is professional, or a woman, or Lou Dort's mother.
If you are supporting Doris from misogynistic attacks from posters on CF then why do you vociferously defend Bill Simmons when he has been publically misogynistic towards not just Doris Burke but the WNBA as well? Sounds extremely hypocritical. I call out the misogyny, racism and hate when I see it. You only do so when it FAVORS the Rockets. You go out of your way to see the non-Rockets perspective every time. This may not be the reality but it certainly is the perception.
male, female, gay, straight, whatever.. if you hate the rockets and james harden i dont like you. sorry but its rockets over everybody to me.. thats my team
This. All Doris talked about was Dort. It's almost like she wanted to change her name to Dort so she doesn't even have to add another syllable to her name when she orders starbucks.
There are some legit Harden haters out there calling games and in the media. Many on local broadcast teams. So, I can be convinced that she’s a hater, but there is a clear separation between how she calls things and what those guys say. On the play, not sure I read what you wrote or where it is. It was clearly awkward and indicative of how frustrated she gets with some of the “tricks” Harden uses to get foul calls. Harden got the call while holding onto Paul, and it didn’t occur to her that Paul made contact first and therefore the call was probably correct as is. She let her annoyance over some of the things Harden will do affect her commentary there, and perhaps also just didn’t like the game being put away on such an ugly play (which would be understandable even for someone is a completely neutral observer). The question about whether a double foul is warranted there is a fair one to ask. A lot of Thunder fans were probably screaming at their TV wondering about that. But her loud insistence that the call was wrong before Javie chimed in was not a good look. And yet, even with that she will also say positive things about Harden and will talk about how he does certain things that are under appreciated. I think it’s possible for an opinionated person to have a mix of things they like and don’t like about how a player plays the game.
For your convenience and consideration: Round 1 Game 3, HOU vs OKC Chris Paul foul on Harden with 24 seconds left in regulation, here's Doris' remarks: Doris: That's gonna be a foul on Chris Paul. I mean there's a lot of contact both ways, but Harden just fell on the right shoulder that was bothering him, and he just fell on that, Mark. ... Doris: Well, who's holding who here? I mean James is holding Chris as much as Chris is being physical with him. He's wrapping his arms around him, look at James hugging him to him. Right? He's hugging Chris Paul into him. That is really frustrating if you're Chris Paul. I mean can we go to Steve Javie? ... And one thing Steve always used to talk about with James, James is crafty, he's smart, and he doesn't try to fool the officials. But right there, Steve Javie what do you think of that play? Steve: I really think this is a defensive foul in my opinion. I know they're both wrestling on it, two crafty players, and as a referee, very difficult play to ref. But I truly believe that this is a defensive foul. Now it's a matter of did the foul occur prior to the ball inbounding. If it is, then it's an away from the play foul. Doris: MAN. * Announcement on away from the play foul on Chris Paul * Doris: Wow, wow, I mean, I don't know who had their arm first... you're thinking ... he's right, Steve Javie is right, two crafty players. Honest to goodness boy I don't know whose arm was first. I mean they're both holding each other. Is there another option here for the official besides one or the other? I don't know the answer to that question. Like could this be a double foul? They're both, they're both doing the same thing. Mark: I don't know how you tell the difference. Doris: I don't either! Doris: So I want to ask Steve one thing -- They're both doing what you said, I don't know that you can make a determination whose arm is wrapping the other. So is there another option in play for these officials or no. Steve: Yeah there is an option, Doris. There is a thing called double foul, which if you can't determined who fouled first, or if they foul occurred simultaneously, then it would be a double foul. Obviously the official in this instance felt that the foul first occurred by Chris Paul, doesn't mean that Harden didn't have contact too but felt that Chris Paul first got a foul. Thanks Steve. Doris: I don't know man, that's a tough call. That's tough. ... Doris: I think double would've been the right thing to do.
Developing story , @Williamson 's posts to likes ratio taking a massive hit after his switch to being a DOF
True... But cmon bro, Harden is the face of craftiness.... Look, it works and he's great at it... I can do without the falling on every 3 though.... I don't like his mannerisms but I'd be a fool to not admit he's great!... Superstar great at that...
Is it really hammering when she pointing out the dude baits the refs?... He's crafty as **** but sometimes I feel like "play ball" watching it unless it's obvious ...
Huh? I defended Simmons comments about Luka and Harden on a recent podcast. That’s not a defense of any other dumb unrelated remarks he may have made. That’s a horrible argument to make, for obvious reasons. If Simmons called Burke a w****, that’s indefensible. It should go without saying, but maybe not for a number of posters on here.
It was on the same thread and you saw it. He said he listens to Burke and all he can hear is "woman talking woman talking woman talking woman talking". You are not going to argue gradients on misogyny with me are you? It's like being pregnant, you either are or you aren't.
Saying something nice after showcasing clear and unadulterated bias does not make the person unbiased. It just means she is good at hiding the bias. She did not do a good job of that yesterday. The nice stuff were afterthoughts. She was clearly rooting for OKC.
lol. She was going off on the Sixers, too. I think every team's fans goes after her opinions at some point.
Great transcript and her bias is clear as day. But tone also matters and there was no doubt in her desperate pleading when hearing live. I thought she was going to have a seizure I have never seen her that animated.
