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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROXRAN, Aug 21, 2020.

  1. Wattafan

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    Is violence, vandalism and destroying public property also in line with the constitution?
     
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    Andy Ngo films are all shot from the grassy knoll
     
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    It isn't against the Constitution directly unlike the illegal use of Federal troops. But it isn't in line with it.

    That's a disingenuous line of questioning. The Constitution and Bill of Rights weren't written to only be followed when things were going swimmingly. The fact of the matter is was written to be followed during hard times.
     
  4. Wattafan

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    I think it is disingenuous to cry when Federal Officers are doing their part to protect and serve.
    The furore over unmarked cars was/is disproportionate to the violence and damage being caused.
    Especially when the perps are walking the streets performing the same bs within hours.
    No consequences, no deterrent.
    I also love the way you so casually dismiss the constitutional rights of those effected by these continued "protests".
     
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    It isn't foul to cry when they are overstepping their bounds and acting above and beyond their limited duties. The Constitution is exactly what they were sworn to uphold and protect and they were in violation of that. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are set up to protect us from the Government not each other. Local police can do that.
     
  6. Wattafan

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    Which is precisely why we have laws to protect us from the evil that is in society.
    When constitutionally elected officials allow harm and vandalism by sitting on their hands then those affected by such negligence have every right to be upset with said officials - especially in light of the fact that organized bands of miscreants bastardize the original intent and spirit of peaceful assembly and we see those pushing political agendas enabling said activities with their tacit support and approval.
    It is thus absolutely constitutionally correct to decry such affronts to our consciences.
     
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    Being upset with those officials is fine. Voting against them is fine if you live in their districts or area. But moving in Federal troops that aren't identified and act outside of their vested authority isn't fine.
     
  8. Wattafan

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    And that is the bone of contention right there isnt it?
    You claim innocence for these arrestees when the agents were doing their jobs. They may have even acted in the arrestees safety.
    In either case, they are almost always released within hours - none the worse for their inconvenience.
     
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    I didn't claim anyone was innocent. So let's get that out of the way. The Federal agents weren't doing their jobs they were acting outside of their authority. The ones that were innocent but still beaten by the troops weren't 'none-the-worse' for their inconvenience.
     
  10. Wattafan

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    So federal agents go around beating innocent people when there are those definitely in the act lawbreaking all around them?
     
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    Are you saying it didn't happen?
     
  12. Wattafan

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    Nope, however, if you choose to be confrontational in the middle of unrest, then the chance of mistaken identity is multiplied. Me - I ain't going anywhere near any of the bs.
    It's just plain, good ole common sense.
    Next time he might be more circumspect.
     
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    Trying to blame the victim of abuse by Federal authorities is a losing position. You are free not to stand up to constitutional abuse, but this man was willing to do so in a peaceful manner. He was brutalized and beaten by troops that shouldn't have even been there.
     
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    So local cops are not liable to be brutal? Or make mistakes?
    It ain't a perfect world and there are no guarantees.
     
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    If course they can be. That's part of the reason for the protests. That has zero to do with the Federal troops being sent and acting in ways against the Constitution.

    That is why this Navy Veteran who had the courage to question authority went and peacefully asked questions. He was attacked, beaten, injured and brutalized by troops that shouldn't have been there in the first place.
     
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    that’s a good questions

    there have been protests in pretty much all the cities in the US and they still are on-going (less media coverage but they are happening).

    Houston isn’t really an exception but a norm - most protests are peaceful with not much of any vandalism, looting and riots. The exceptions are there are some cities that do experience those - so I think the question is why are there exceptions at these other cities that have riots and looting?

    As for Houston, perhaps the reason is there is less an element of extremists in this city and in many other cities - call it antifa, white nationalists, both, whatever. Perhaps also it’s because the city welcome the protests and provides the space and time for it.
     
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    There are probably a lot of videos of basically combat in the streets between Antifa and these right wing hate groups that come into Portland from all around, even some innocent people being hurt, but Andy Ngo is the classic poisoned well. He and his cohorts stage scenes for propaganda purposes on the regular. Like the shocking video where Ngo showed a protester swinging a hammer at a hate group member on a bus only to find out the hammer came from someone on the bus swinging it at the protester of course, the people on the bus were caught on a recording talking about the weapons they brought to use. The truth only came out after the entire right wing media apparatus spread the story of Antifa swinging a hammer at someone. There are professional right wing provocateurs that go into Portland for the purpose of instigating a conflict and having someone like Andy Ngo record the retaliation. You guys eat it up and it's telling how little effort you all make to verify what you're seeing is authentic.

    1 hammer, 1 ‘antifa mob chase’: A closer look at Portland’s viral protest moments
    https://www.oregonlive.com/news/201...-look-at-portlands-viral-protest-moments.html


    Super Awkward for Right-Wing Blogger Andy Ngo to Make a Cameo in Video of Plot Against Antifa
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-make-a-cameo-in-video-of-plot-against-antifa


    This far-right group is trying to drag leftists into an unwinnable PR war
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-is-dragging-antifa-into-an-unwinnable-pr-war
     
  20. Wattafan

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    This is all moot if the protests stop - after all, it takes two to tango and no side has been faultless.
    I think the whole country has heard the message by now.
    Enough is enough already.
     
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